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    15 too young to drive, says brain expert

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    Friday September 29, 2006
    By Claire Trevett

    Teenage drivers could be getting their licence and climbing behind the wheel up to a decade before their brains are equal to the task.

    Dr Robert Isler, a senior lecturer in psychology at Waikato University, said yesterday that the frontal lobes of 15-year-olds' brains were not fully developed, and as a result many struggled to recognise and react to hazards and took extra risks.

    Dr Isler said New Zealand's driving age of 15 was out of step with other countries, where 17 or 18 was the norm.

    "I think it's much too young. We don't give them the vote until they are 18 because we think they are not ready to have good judgment. But we allow them to drive solo at 15 and we think they will make good decisions, but often they don't."

    That was because the frontal lobe - responsible for skills such as judgment, self-control and the ability to plan - did not fully develop until a person was 25.

    It could take a 15-year-old up to 30 per cent longer than an experienced driver to respond to problems on the road. For the first six months of driving unsupervised on a restricted licence, a 15-year-old was 19 times more at risk of a mishap than a 25- year-old with driving experience.

    "Young people learn car-control skills very quickly. Within 15 hours they can steer quite well. They get a higher sense of confidence than they should have and so they drive faster and it is not good for risk-taking behaviour."

    Dr Isler said he believed 17 was a more suitable age to learn to drive, with learners supervised for at least a year.

    Together with AA Driver Education Foundation, he is studying young drivers to see whether training helps with skills such as dealing with hazards.

    Professor Michael Corballis, of Auckland University's psychology department, agreed brain development could have some impact on a 15-year-old's ability to drive safely.

    "The frontal lobe does develop later relative to other parts of the brain, and is involved in things like judgment and social and executive skills - such as not being impetuous - and self-control.

    "So 15-year-olds are capable of driving in terms of motor skills and vision, but whether they're capable of driving responsibly is the question."

    The study comes as debate continues over New Zealand's driving age.

    A Herald-DigiPoll survey in December showed respondents favoured raising the age from 15, with 52 per cent believing people should be 18 before driving and 27 per cent recommending 17.

    About 60,000 young people learn to drive each year, and Dr Isler said the study would test whether intensive training would reduce the risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    That was because the frontal lobe - responsible for skills such as judgment, self-control and the ability to plan - did not fully develop until a person was 25.
    Jeepers I didnt get my licence until I was about 25 and man have I done some stupid stuff in the past year!

    There seems to be some good facts in this report, definately worth thinking about. Bet there will be an uproar though!
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    Yay!

    Got my arse handed to me on a plate when I pointed this out a couple of years ago.

    Nice to see some supporting documentation.
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    It is just as dangerous to drive at 15 as it is to take advise from academics.

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    We can have it proven scientifically, we can vote to raise the age....but ultimately it's still not gonna fucken happen because driving is seen as a right not a privilege in this country.

    Here's a plan:
    15 ride a 50cc bike (Learner Licence)
    16 Ride a 125cc bike (Learner Licence)
    17 Ride a 250cc bike or 1000cc car (Learner Licence)
    18 Ride any bike or any car (provided the appropriate tests are passed)

    Coz cars kill innocent bystanders and passengers more than bikes do young drivers should not have access to driving them - keeping them on 2 wheels for the first couple of years of road use will make them sensible - and if they screw up then they're not going to take a raft of people to hell with them in a fireball.

    S'not gonna happen though.
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    Either an adjustment in the age or more intensive training would get my vote. Especially when at these years the mind is easily impressionable and with all the bad driving that is rife on our roads it will simply perpetuate the cycle of bad driving. However, there are a number of exceptions, so is it possible to accomodate these people?

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    For the first six months of driving unsupervised on a restricted licence, a 15-year-old was 19 times more at risk of a mishap than a 25- year-old with driving experience.
    Wow thats huge! Obviously the current system is not working if that is the case

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    15 is fine. Frontal lobes are not fully developed and risk taking is a natural consequence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Filterer View Post
    Wow thats huge! Obviously the current system is not working if that is the case
    How much of that is attribtable to the lack of experience rather than frontal lobe activity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManDownUnder View Post
    How much of that is attribtable to the lack of experience rather than frontal lobe activity?
    I came to driving very late in life and haven't even had a close call in a car...

    Not only that but I'm Glaswegian and therefore use my frontal lobe predominantly for breaking people's noses
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    Quote Originally Posted by McJim View Post
    I came to driving very late in life and haven't even had a close call in a car...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManDownUnder View Post
    How much of that is attribtable to the lack of experience rather than frontal lobe activity?
    Agreed, I think with the right training a 15y.o shouldn't be 19x more likely to have an accident but it does appear that a 15y.o driver needs more training then a 20-25+ y.o learner for wahtever reason

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    Quote Originally Posted by Filterer View Post
    Agreed, I think with the right training a 15y.o shouldn't be 19x more likely to have an accident but it does appear that a 15y.o driver needs more training then a 20-25+ y.o learner for wahtever reason
    Training doesn't help. As much as you all want to deny it, everyone is different, brain maturation takes place at its own pace, BUT you can't avoid the fact that a 15 year old's brain does not in any way function like a 25 year old's brain. There are bits missing. They haven't developed yet.

    Ever seen a teenager throw an utterly inexplicable temper tantrum? That's because their perception of emotions is confused by the lack of frontal lobe development. They get other people's emotions wrong, confusing anger with surprise, surprise with fear, acceptance with sarcasm. Emotions are governed by the same part of the brain as judgement. Experience does NOT help a 15 year old's judgement of a situation. Good judgement develops once that part of the brain kicks in and we learn to match up experience and judgement.

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    I don't think 15 year old kids can handel the responsibility of being on the road. But yea, that's just my view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim2 View Post
    Training doesn't help. As much as you all want to deny it, everyone is different, brain maturation takes place at its own pace, BUT you can't avoid the fact that a 15 year old's brain does not in any way function like a 25 year old's brain. There are bits missing. They haven't developed yet.
    Yes to a certain extent I believe, I understand that they are missing certain parts of their brain at that age, I have done a few psych papers at uni within the last year. However their is ALWAYS more then one way to solve a problem and although inexperienced 15y.o are always going to be more dangerous then an inexperienced 25y.o the gap shouldn't be so large if they were given training and taught to realise that they have this problem. Often half the problem is to identify/understand your limitations and to work around them.

    If there really is a gap of 19x between a 15yo and an experienced driver that can't be changed then they should not be on our roads IMHO

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