More rock throwing

**James Deuce** · 15th October 2006, 15:45

Eh? Kit, Labour wasn't in government when NZ opened up immigration in the 60s. David Lange was certainly NOT PM in 1980 either.

**Colapop** · 15th October 2006, 16:48

Originally Posted by Kitt Wyatt

....The problem is the most part of society that revolves around the individuals concerned is pacific islanders imported form 1980 by Labour govt David Lange.

They established a seperate comunity for them, Otara, which became notorius and will probably always be. There culture was never imalgamated with acceptible NZ culture and the seperation in values and lifestyle created a deficit in young people. It is not a racial issue either, its a family values isseue.....

Your timeine is totally incorrect for a start. Apart from the political inconsistencies the majority of pacific islanders were not "imported" from 1980. Pacific Islanders originally came here hundreds of years ago, they're called Maori's. If you're talking about the people of the pacific countries of Samoa, Tonga, Rarotonga ..etc that came here for the most part in the '60's then you're 20 years out of time. You're probably remembering the dawn raids of the late '70's early '80's. When hard working families trying provide a better life for their children were focibly removed from homes and deported because of bigots like you.

"It is not a racial issue either" - Fuck off, that's just a statement to try and make your statement racially unbiased.

This issue is about community responsibility. People getting together and caring about OUR community. You think this country was built by the European settlers? They weren't the only people that have come to this country trying to make a better life for themselves. What about the Chinese that worked the goldfields in Otago - who's great grandchildren are still getting grief for being 'immigrants'. What about the Indians - who don't all own dairies. What about the All Blacks? Nobody complains about the skill and flair that Pacific Islanders have brought to the game of rugby.

The attitude you've expressed is part of the reason these problems are occuring, because after all, there's no way any of "our" kids would be involved in something like that". WE as a community need to work TOGETHER to find solutions for these problems. Or better yet why don't we just send all the fucking niggers, spicks, wops, nargs, chinks, fobs, poms, eyeties and everyone else that pisses us off back to where they came from? *tui moment* Gimme a fucking break, add something constructive and try to actually help.

*Rant over*

**MattRSK** · 15th October 2006, 16:54

Originally Posted by Colapop

add something constructive

A joke. Yeah, all right.

There's these, three guys...

a spic,

a white guy and a black guy.

And they're walkin' along the beach.

They see this pot. They rub it, a genie comes out.

Genie says you can wish for anything you want. He asks the Mexican what he wants.

And he goes,

"I want all my people in America to be happy and free in Mexico."

So the genie... Poof! And all the spics are in Mexico.

He goes to the nigger, says, "What do you want?"

And he goes,

"I want all my African...

brothers in America...

to be back in Africa and happy and everything."

So the genie goes poof!

And, um, all the niggers in America...

are in Africa.

So the genie says to the white guy,

"What's your one wish?"

And the white guy goes, "You mean to tell me...

all the niggers and spics are out of America?"

The genie goes, "Yeah." He says,

"Well, I'll have a Coke then."

**DEATH_INC.** · 15th October 2006, 17:05

It's gonna come down to the average joe, we gotta stop this shit, the cops won't. The best thing you can do is not bury your head when you see this shit, either kick some arse or if yer not keen to get personally involved, just get near and make a lot of noise etc, these guys don't like too much attention....if ya want a laugh call the cops, ya never know the shop may be outta dougnuts...

**Rogue Rider** · 15th October 2006, 18:11

Originally Posted by Colapop

Your timeine is totally incorrect for a start. Apart from the political inconsistencies the majority of pacific islanders were not "imported" from 1980. Pacific Islanders originally came here hundreds of years ago, they're called Maori's. If you're talking about the people of the pacific countries of Samoa, Tonga, Rarotonga ..etc that came here for the most part in the '60's then you're 20 years out of time. You're probably remembering the dawn raids of the late '70's early '80's. When hard working families trying provide a better life for their children were focibly removed from homes and deported because of bigots like you.

"It is not a racial issue either" - Fuck off, that's just a statement to try and make your statement racially unbiased.

This issue is about community responsibility. People getting together and caring about OUR community. You think this country was built by the European settlers? They weren't the only people that have come to this country trying to make a better life for themselves. What about the Chinese that worked the goldfields in Otago - who's great grandchildren are still getting grief for being 'immigrants'. What about the Indians - who don't all own dairies. What about the All Blacks? Nobody complains about the skill and flair that Pacific Islanders have brought to the game of rugby.

The attitude you've expressed is part of the reason these problems are occuring, because after all, there's no way any of "our" kids would be involved in something like that". WE as a community need to work TOGETHER to find solutions for these problems. Or better yet why don't we just send all the fucking niggers, spicks, wops, nargs, chinks, fobs, poms, eyeties and everyone else that pisses us off back to where they came from? *tui moment* Gimme a fucking break, add something constructive and try to actually help.

*Rant over*

Sorry to misinterpret your rant, but I was refering to the establishment of low socio economic infristructur made for the the mass imigration David Lange established during ther power of operation in the 80's. If you look into the history of the labour government you will see its consistancies in term. Personally I take no issue with race, only with regard to the seclusion of any race from intergration. Segregation has proved fruitless throughout the ages, look at america and its white supremeacy veiw. I am an imigrant for a start off, and don't condone any form of racism. I do however any race or imigrant to submit and conform to accepting existing values and styles of living. Primary obiding laws and establishing comunity values.
I suspect from your coment you are overse to the Maori people, I think you should be a little more diplimatic and less defensive as the Maori people are one of the 2 races that pre existed mass european invasion, and over 100 years of theft rape and murder. I too know history, and to my knowlege all peoples are welcome in this wonderful country which we all call home.
Crime starts In the home, my only point is where there is a break down in family values: there in lies your problem. No punishment for crime, crime escalates.

Racism of any source is particularly offensive to most civil human beings of which i am certainly one. However I do not mind if you dislike me much.

**Rogue Rider** · 15th October 2006, 18:16

My sincerist apolagy to anyone who missinterprets my messages previous. Just want to clarify: I am definately not a racist nor a bigget as referred above. I would not lower myself to be apart or associate with attitudes of that nature. Being an imigrant myself I would like to think we are all welcome in this fair country, and that we can all get along.
There are obviously some quite touchie abnoxious people on this site who need to lighten up before they get a cancer.............
I beleive in family values and hope others out there do too. Time someone does somthing about these imoral mindless louts.

**James Deuce** · 15th October 2006, 19:45

Kit, that was the most worthless apology I've ever seen. "Sincerely" apologising in one breath and then defining obnoxious while attempting to label others who disagree with you as such in the next.

You should probably pick up a couple of history books instead of repeating "common wisdom", or at least do a tiny smidgeon of research.

http://www.teara.govt.nz/NewZealande...egulation/6/en

It was a under a Labour Govt that the Dawn Raids were carried out.

The numbers of immigrants from the Pacific Islands are not huge, legal or illegal.

**MattRSK** · 15th October 2006, 19:47

Originally Posted by Jim2

Kit, that was the most worthless apology I've ever seen. "Sincerely" apologising in one breath and then defining obnoxious while attempting to label others who disagree with you as such in the next.

You should probably pick up a couple of history books instead of repeating "common wisdom", or at least do a tiny smidgeon of research.

http://www.teara.govt.nz/NewZealande...egulation/6/en

It was a under a Labour Govt that the Dawn Raids were carried out.

The numbers of immigrants from the Pacific Islands are not huge, legal or illegal.

If Eddie Vedder lived here, people would know what respect is.

**James Deuce** · 15th October 2006, 19:52

The goober fired Dave Abbrusseze for being "too Rock".

Respect? Pah!

**MattRSK** · 15th October 2006, 19:59

So when I get an infraction mod, can it please say.

Pearl Jam the greatest band in the world!

Like I know what the infraction will be for but can ya just chuck that in to sweeten the deal.

**Rogue Rider** · 15th October 2006, 20:33

Seems there is alot I don't know about history. What were the Dawn Raids? the only refference I can find is to a rap group from the 1990s. Was it a racial thing or a crime. Forgive me, but seeing as a couple have refferenced it I would like to know what they were if anyone knows.

I don't profess to get things right, perhaps I should shut up.... yaeh sounds good I guess to some. I feel like a noddy, oh well i guess I better blow it out my exhaust pipe in the morning on the way to work.

I am truely sorry if i have offended anyone though, definately not my intention. Your all nice people.

cheers:

**MattRSK** · 15th October 2006, 20:42

Originally Posted by Kitt Wyatt

Seems there is alot I don't know about history. What were the Dawn Raids? the only refference I can find is to a rap group from the 1990s. Was it a racial thing or a crime. Forgive me, but seeing as a couple have refferenced it I would like to know what they were if anyone knows.

I don't profess to get things right, perhaps I should shut up.... yaeh sounds good I guess to some. I feel like a noddy, oh well i guess I better blow it out my exhaust pipe in the morning on the way to work.

I am truely sorry if i have offended anyone though, definately not my intention. Your all nice people.

cheers:

Pearl Jam forgives you!

I'm only doing this to wind up jim2 he's a box of fun, and i think he knows a lot more about pearl jam than I do!

**James Deuce** · 15th October 2006, 21:09

Gaaah Matt!!

Kitt, it's in the link I posted. Police used to knock on the door of overstayers between 4am and 5:30am to catch them before they went to work so they could be deported home.

The National Govt in the 60s under Holyoake introduced a series of temporary visas and made the process of residency easier for those from the PIs. Things got a bit tougher economically in the mid-'70s and the Labour Govt of Kirk/Rowling reopened a previously blind eye on the issue of illegal immigration from the PIs and started deporting people "home".

There were a huge number of issues from the fascist overtones of door-knocking in the early hours of the morning, to breaking up families made of overstayer parents and NZ born children.

Just so NZ society could fuel a demand for cheap labour as our economy expanded in the '60s and early '70s.