Portugal MotoGP **SPOILER**

**Lou Girardin** · 18th October 2006, 05:54

If this gets rid of Pedrosa I'll shed no tears. He's just the type of rider the sport doesn't need. He's not even that great a rider. If Rossi carried 15 kg's less than everyone else, no-one would see where he went. Dump the dwarf.
As for Hayden, he was only leading through consistency while Vale had bad luck. Vale's won twice as many races. It's clear who the genius is.
Finally, anything thing that beats Honda's 'production line' approach to racing has to be good.

**slowpoke** · 18th October 2006, 06:33

Ya gotta feel for Hayden, he seems destined to live in the shadow of a motorcycling freak who may go into the history books as the best ever.

All Pedrosa had to do was stay line astern with Hayden and even if they only finished 4-5 Mr Honda would be smilin' right now. The risk/reward ratio for passing Hayden was always in the negative and has done nothing to improve Pedrosa's own saleability. He is a commodity after all.

Hayden seems like one of the genuine nice guys of the paddock. This last round may just see a Nicky Hayden we've never seen before.

**slowpoke** · 18th October 2006, 06:49

On the subject of race crashes and some heated discussion earlier in the thread I've got to say it's interesting the difference in attitude between what I've seen in NZ and what I saw in OZ with regard to crashing.

I'm not sure if the bucket racing thing (slow, cheap to repair after crashing) moulds the attitude or what but the casualness with which people crash in NZ is quite striking. Even on the road here people seem to rack up double digit's crashing and hardly bat and eye where as I never knew of anybody in Oz who had had more than single figures etched into their tank.

The roads are different with corners/hills few and far between in WA but the track I would have thought would be similar....but nup.

I guess the racing is more plentiful in NZ (compared to WA, prolly not the East Coast) but a crash over there seems to be treated as a more serious thing. Without bucket racing (it IS part of the Historic Scene) the people are starting off on faster more expensive machinery so I'm kinda guessing they have learnt form very early on that you generally ride within your limits or it is going to be very painful both to your health and your wallet.

Just an observation.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 18th October 2006, 07:32

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

If this gets rid of Pedrosa I'll shed no tears. He's just the type of rider the sport doesn't need. He's not even that great a rider. If Rossi carried 15 kg's less than everyone else, no-one would see where he went. Dump the dwarf.

Mate...not sure how you can see it that way??? he did something Valantino couldn't do....win the 250cc world championship in his FRIST attempt.
He WAS coming 2nd overall until a while ago in his FIRST attempt.
His size makes nowhere near as much diff in the 'big' class as it did in the smaller classes, as these bikes only spend about 5% of the lap on full throttle.
Yeah the guy made a bonehead attempt at a pass at a REALLY bad time....but he's pretty fucking good all the same!

**Deano** · 18th October 2006, 07:35

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

Mate...not sure how you can see it that way??? he did something Valantino couldn't do....win the 250cc world championship in his FRIST attempt.
He WAS coming 2nd overall until a while ago in his FIRST attempt.
His size makes nowhere near as much diff in the 'big' class as it did in the smaller classes, as these bikes only spend about 5% of the lap on full throttle.
Yeah the guy made a bonehead attempt at a pass at a REALLY bad time....but he's pretty fucking good all the same!

My thoughts too.

**roogazza** · 18th October 2006, 08:19

If you see them in the flesh, all the Motogp boys are the best ! Its just that Rossi is better !
Almost as good as the Kiwibiker racers you hear from on here !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! pfftt ! Can Craig Sheriffs type ? I'd like to hear from him on the racers forum ! G.

**Goblin** · 18th October 2006, 08:44

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

I see Casey Stoner has taken Setes ride at Ducati after also taking him out of the race!

Originally Posted by r4q2

Yip I'm with gav, Hayden shoved it up the inside of Pedrosa same corner the lap before (lap 3), and he had it let go for a second, he was lucky not to have exited the race right then!

I tell ya what tho, watch him nut off as he left the track was very entertaining!!!

wish I could lip-read!

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

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Yeah the guy made a bonehead attempt at a pass at a REALLY bad time....but he's pretty fucking good all the same!

Yeah he did try to pull the same move Hayden did on the previous lap but hit the ripple strip and lost it. The midget has HUGE talent and I hope he does well next season.

**Cleve** · 18th October 2006, 09:39

Regarding these overtaking moves under brakes. If you make it you're a hero (a la Tony Elias against Rossi at end of main straight)
If you don't you're a dick head (a la Pedrosa)...

Man we are pretty hard on these guys aren't we??

**Crasherfromwayback** · 18th October 2006, 09:47

Originally Posted by Cleve Brown

Regarding these overtaking moves under brakes. If you make it you're a hero (a la Tony Elias against Rossi at end of main straight)
If you don't you're a dick head (a la Pedrosa)...

Man we are pretty hard on these guys aren't we??

We're really fucking fast in our couches mate don't worry!
But....Elias's braking moves were all done going straight into corners whilst they were ALL braking hard out in straight lines. Pedrosa stuffed it up the inside while Hayden had already turned in, and going in as way too hot as he was, it was always gonna end in a collision. QUITE a big difference.

**Sketchy_Racer** · 18th October 2006, 09:48

Yes your a hero if you can pull it off,

But in the situation of haydens world championship points, and the fact that it was his own team mate. You DO not ever try a move like that, that could ruin your team mates chances at winning

Rossi and Edwards = Awesome team work and great guys

Hayden and Pedrosas = Crappy team work and personally, I don't really like either of them.

**sAsLEX** · 18th October 2006, 10:05

Originally Posted by Cleve Brown

Regarding these overtaking moves under brakes. If you make it you're a hero (a la Tony Elias against Rossi at end of main straight)
If you don't you're a dick head (a la Pedrosa)...

Man we are pretty hard on these guys aren't we??

Elias if he fucked up wouldn't of taken out Rossi or Edwards but flown in to the sand as he was well past both of them before turning in so both could of stayed on the brakes a fraction longer and gone up the inside as he played in the sand

**The Pastor** · 18th October 2006, 10:21

lol thats pretty funny, stink for nicky but funny.

**Toast** · 18th October 2006, 10:39

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

If this gets rid of Pedrosa I'll shed no tears. He's just the type of rider the sport doesn't need. He's not even that great a rider. If Rossi carried 15 kg's less than everyone else, no-one would see where he went. Dump the dwarf.
As for Hayden, he was only leading through consistency while Vale had bad luck. Vale's won twice as many races. It's clear who the genius is.
Finally, anything thing that beats Honda's 'production line' approach to racing has to be good.

Agree with the other responses: Pedrosa has got a whole lotta talent. Can't recall which race it was this year, but he managed to walk away from the rest of the field. He may well be on the best bike, but he’s still shown enough skills.

I still think he’s a dick though.

Agree with you that Hayden is not Rossi’s equal, and he’s only leading due to The D R’s bad luck, with bike problems and being nudged off earlier in the season (by Elias?). If he bitches about bad luck later on, he needs a slap, but I haven’t heard of him whining about it yet.

Everyone is this era will live in Rossi’s shadow, he’s a legend…period.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 18th October 2006, 10:57

Originally Posted by Toast

Everyone is this era will live in Rossi’s shadow, he’s a legend…period.

For sure he is. I just wish Doohan was still around....now THAT would've been a match up!! Both of them have the opposition mentally beaten before the lights go out....but man....was Doohan a hard C*nt or what? Anyone that uses nothing more than 'Panadol' for the injuries he received has my vote!

**Cleve** · 18th October 2006, 17:49

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

Elias if he fucked up wouldn't of taken out Rossi or Edwards but flown in to the sand as he was well past both of them before turning in so both could of stayed on the brakes a fraction longer and gone up the inside as he played in the sand

Oh for sure Pedrosa's move was the dumbest of them all but you will find also that Elias's moves caused a reaction to the riders he was overtaking. At least once Rossi had to react and I think Roberts as well. He COULD HAVE also taken out the other riders if he had lost it. Anyway regardless Elias's moves we e way cool and Pedrosa's bad, but still there is a fine line between the 2 of them...