Hamilton Fridays @ 10 pm

[Teflon]

i don't think he wants to go faster.. i gather he's looking at other options because he can't afford another 250 sportsbike..

is insurance really worth it for a 3 to 4k bike? maybe third party..

i love gsxr11's, i think everyone should own one.. perfect bike for Warr

[The Flux Capacita]

i don't think he wants to go faster.. i gather he's looking at other options because he can't afford another 250 sportsbike..

is insurance really worth it for a 3 to 4k bike? maybe third party..

i love gsxr11's, i think everyone should own one.. perfect bike for Warr

yea thats more the idea...my fzr was plenty fast enough for me and im looking at those bikes as an alternative in case mine is written off and i can't buy it back...theres no way i can afford another 250 sports for 3300 unless it's in shit condition and i'm not going to go back to 150s or a gn

i was going to get some help with riding over the next 2 weeks as i have teaching recess at uni as well as upgrading my licence since i've been able to since june 06 but the temptation of a quick ride was to much and as murphy's law would have it on a short spurr of the moment ride i take a dive and mess the thing up

if they wirte the bike off i'd be willing to buy it back for less than 1500 otherwise i'm gona be in the car for a long time to come

[Teflon]

fuck paying that much for a 250.. when i trashed my nsr i went straight to a NC30.. stuck the nsr plate on a 88 gsxr11 (import, never been registered) hooned around on that too..

Who gives a fuck what people think, buy what you can afford.. the goose would be a cool bike thou..

[The Flux Capacita]

it's a viable option... i don't know much about the goose though being a single because my fzr was nearly as fast as carvers gs500 in regards to hp...so my limited knowledge suggests to me that the goose may actually be slower anyhow and it's cheaper than a decent 250

[carver]

Try having a chat with someone who really knows how to ride a 250 eh?
Road Rash, Momentum, ... how about that bloke standing next to you all the time *cough* carver *cough*
I've got $10 that says he knows how to a ride a 250 properly

make this next purchase with your head .. not your cock

*rant over*

you know whats funny, flux was going on about my big imaginary penis just before we set off...
no offence to you bruce, but a good rider can ride any bike fast, smooth, and safe.
you should try become that, whatever bike you get, cause a good bike wont stop you crashing.
oh yea-you owe me $10 terminal!

[TerminalAddict]

oh yea-you owe me $10 terminal!

so you don't know how to ride a 250 properly??
and infact your penis is very very small??
obvioulsy wasn't your penis that whacked into my back tyre on wednesday then

HA HA! the rumours are true then

[The Flux Capacita]

bro thats another way of saying you show off just a little and i don't seem to be getting any help from you on fast smooth riding just a whole lot of watch what i can do...i'm not going to bother any more to be honest if all i'm going to get is shit about how slow i ride and then i try ride a little faster and bin it...it doesn't serve my best interests to hear about how to ride hard n fast if thats whats going to happen

my riding was just fine before and i don't have to ride as hard and fast as you if i don't want to especially on a road iv'e never been on in the dark...shame i had to learn that the hard way but at least im going to learn

if this is all im going to hear then i'm gona just go riding on my own and teach myself AT MY OWN PACE

[TerminalAddict]

bro thats another way of saying you show off just a little and i don't seem to be getting any help from you on fast smooth riding just a whole lot of watch what i can do...i'm not going to bother any more to be honest if all i'm going to get is shit about how slow i ride and then i try ride a little faster and bin it...it doesn't serve my best interests to hear about how to ride hard n fast if thats whats going to happen

my riding was just fine before and i don't have to ride as hard and fast as you if i don't want to especially on a road iv'e never been on in the dark...shame i had to learn that the hard way but at least im going to learn

if this is all im going to hear then i'm gona just go riding on my own and teach myself AT MY OWN PACE

excellent post !!!!!

bling awarded ...
perhaps some beer with terminaladdict and co .. we can talk shit, and riding styles etc

[Meekey_Mouse]

bro thats another way of saying you show off just a little and i don't seem to be getting any help from you on fast smooth riding just a whole lot of watch what i can do...i'm not going to bother any more to be honest if all i'm going to get is shit about how slow i ride and then i try ride a little faster and bin it...it doesn't serve my best interests to hear about how to ride hard n fast if thats whats going to happen

my riding was just fine before and i don't have to ride as hard and fast as you if i don't want to especially on a road iv'e never been on in the dark...shame i had to learn that the hard way but at least im going to learn

if this is all im going to hear then i'm gona just go riding on my own and teach myself AT MY OWN PACE

Bling sent tough way to learn though.

[Bnonn]

Yeah, top post Flux. Props for knowing and acknowledging your lower skill level, and not letting these fast cats pressure or mock you. Fast cats should know better!

[hamie1]

Excellent ideas, I remember when I went for my first ride in Hamilton and tried to keep up with the others (I'd had my bike about a month I think)... almost died (well it felt like it twice). I guess I was lucky that night, we stopped and I was given some advice... just like you've leant... RIDE AT YOUR OWN PACE. Good advice but not always easy to do... maybe it's peer pressure or something?

[The Flux Capacita]

haha i think i remember that...i was following your lines for some of that ride and just about followed you off the road...assuming i get my bike back together i'll save that practise for a track from now on and just listen to my mp3 player and cruise on the roads i don't know...they always wait anyways i mean im only on a 250

speaking of which here's another one i found which although not as good as my old one and more expensive...would still do the job till license upgrade

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...px?id=94730007

$4000 is a bit steep for the mileage but my bike was a real bargain so i guess that would be about market value...DAM 250's are way to expensive compared to 400

[Bnonn]

haha i think i remember that...i was following your lines for some of that ride and just about followed you off the road...

Yeah, don't follow other people's lines. It's really tempting to do it, to use the guy in front as a reference point and let him choose the lines, but consider the following questions:

• Are your bikes identical? Same tires, tire pressure, brakes, weight, power, chain slack, rake, lean angle, etc? If not, why are you riding a line which isn't tailored to your vehicle?
• How much do you trust the guy in front to get it right? Is he a less skilled rider than you? Then you don't want to trust his lines! Is he a better rider than you? Then you don't want to try his lines because they're beyond your skill level.
• How far ahead are you looking? Usually you follow about two seconds behind the guy in front, right? Any further and you'd probably lose sight of him in the bends anyway. But how far ahead should you be scanning? No less than three seconds; more like five. So if you're watching the lines of the guy in front, you're riding the front wheel and you won't have sufficient time to deal with any unexpected situations.
• Riding someone else's line is a form of target fixation. If he messes up his line, you'll see it happening—but because you're watching him, guess where you're going. That's right: wherever he's going! If that's into a truck or rockface, sucks to be you.

Just some thoughts (: When you're riding roads you don't know (heck, or roads you do), the amount of distance it will take you to stop should be at least as far ahead as you can see. If you can't see ahead as far as it will take you to do an emergency stop, you're going too fast. The street isn't a race-track; riding in reserve carries much higher penalties sometimes on the road than on the track. Hitting hay bales sucks; hitting an oncoming vehicle or a barbed wire fence sucks more.

Oh, regarding that CBR, ask the guy if he has a maintenance history of any kind. You'll probably be SOL; especially judging from the description. But it's handy. I keep a detailed maintenance history of my bike, even down to the detail of fillups (litres used, reserve litres used, type of riding I was doing, kilometres traveled on the tank). It doesn't just help potential buyers; it's really helpful for your own purposes. Also, ask him what "high grade" oil is. Big deal, it cost $55. But what was its rating? Was it synthetic or dino? That's more pertinent. And since his fiancee has decided not to ride, having "lived and learned"...what caused that? Was it dropped? It doesn't look like it from the photos but eh...always good to ask.

Sorry if I'm stating the obvious. Looks like a nice bike though; you should get some good riding out of it.

[ZeroIndex]

Yeah, don't follow other people's lines. It's really tempting to do it, to use the guy in front as a reference point and let him choose the lines, but consider the following questions:

• Are your bikes identical? Same tires, tire pressure, brakes, weight, power, chain slack, rake, lean angle, etc? If not, why are you riding a line which isn't tailored to your vehicle?
• How much do you trust the guy in front to get it right? Is he a less skilled rider than you? Then you don't want to trust his lines! Is he a better rider than you? Then you don't want to try his lines because they're beyond your skill level.
• How far ahead are you looking? Usually you follow about two seconds behind the guy in front, right? Any further and you'd probably lose sight of him in the bends anyway. But how far ahead should you be scanning? No less than three seconds; more like five. So if you're watching the lines of the guy in front, you're riding the front wheel and you won't have sufficient time to deal with any unexpected situations.
• Riding someone else's line is a form of target fixation. If he messes up his line, you'll see it happening—but because you're watching him, guess where you're going. That's right: wherever he's going! If that's into a truck or rockface, sucks to be you.

Just some thoughts (: When you're riding roads you don't know (heck, or roads you do), the amount of distance it will take you to stop should be at least as far ahead as you can see. If you can't see ahead as far as it will take you to do an emergency stop, you're going too fast. The street isn't a race-track; riding in reserve carries much higher penalties sometimes on the road than on the track. Hitting hay bales sucks; hitting an oncoming vehicle or a barbed wire fence sucks more.

Oh, regarding that CBR, ask the guy if he has a maintenance history of any kind. You'll probably be SOL; especially judging from the description. But it's handy. I keep a detailed maintenance history of my bike, even down to the detail of fillups (litres used, reserve litres used, type of riding I was doing, kilometres traveled on the tank). It doesn't just help potential buyers; it's really helpful for your own purposes. Also, ask him what "high grade" oil is. Big deal, it cost $55. But what was its rating? Was it synthetic or dino? That's more pertinent. And since his fiancee has decided not to ride, having "lived and learned"...what caused that? Was it dropped? It doesn't look like it from the photos but eh...always good to ask.

Sorry if I'm stating the obvious. Looks like a nice bike though; you should get some good riding out of it.

wow, that is a really insightful post... green bling awarded

[Bnonn]

Thanks; I'm glad to help (: Riding is a very academic enterprise in many ways. It's easy to make the bike go places, but to do it in full control takes a lot of understanding, as well as just plain old practice. Getting to that point isn't just a matter of experience, but also of learning. I reckon the riders who have already learned this stuff ought to take the time to share it with those who haven't. That's why I join these sorts of forums. Honestly, I'm not a really sociable guy...I just love riding, and sharing knowledge about riding. I don't pretend to have mastered motorcycling myself, but I know a reasonable amount about it, and I've been blessed with the ability to put my knowledge into words well enough. More knowledgeable riders should consider it an honorable responsibility to share their knowledge with newbies. It could save someone's life.

I've actually found motorcycling to be a lot like martial arts. I study and teach European martial arts (see http://swordsmanship.co.nz) as a serious enterprise, rather than as a stage-fighting or role-playing thing, and you really have to have a handle on the theory to get good. Yeah, there are people who have natural talent; but I've seen people who don't have talent cane those people who do, simply through applying knowledge of biomechanics, timing, distance, and so on. Obviously, talent + study = orsm, while no talent + study = less orsm, but I think often people under-estimate how much difference study makes. If you really understand what's going on, you don't have to rely on your instincts (which may be wrong), and it also means you're far more mentally prepared when a crisis does arise, so you can stay calmer and be more pro-active, rather than panicking and reacting as seems best (which is often not best at all). I started studying martial arts well before I got into motorcycling, but I am still often struck by how oddly similar the principles are.