Peter Jackson's got a problem

[RiderInBlack]

I really don't care what the ya call the dog. Ya just can't convince me the it's name is so important in relation to the Dam Busters as far as telling their story.
Get over it and get on with the real important stuff.

[Swoop]

Another thread on the same topic???

Same reply as before. Don't try and change history. The dogs name is Nigger.

Changing it would be like calling Winston Churchill by a different name. Stick to the facts if making a movie of an actual event.

[James Deuce]

The Nigger sub text is one of the defining threads of the story. No one liked Guy Gibson much either. Guy and the Dog are almost a mirror for how the Dam Busters unit viewed both of them.

It may not be a documentary, but MOST people going to see will think it is. There's so much revisionist rubbish going on in the face of our PC new world, that we'll be as bad as Japan in a decade. They used to omit Asian history from 1931 to 1945 from their school text books. There's a huge chunk of their society that can't understand why an 85 year old man in Arrowtown would recoil from a Japanese face in horror, or mutter imprecations about those bloody yellow people taking over the world.

The Dam Busters mission was a failure in every important way. The CO was a flake with a hideous pet, the mad scientist who came up with the idea of a rotating drum suspended from a 4 engine bomber flying at 80 ft into a heavily defended non-strategic target just needed an assistant called Igor to complete the picture, and British Intelligence over stated the importance of the Ruhr Valley Dams hugely. Bomber Command was facing 15-20% losses at this time of the war and this mission was no exception. The USAAF considered losses of 10% unacceptable.

It is a great story about human ingenuity and how vastly disparate people can be hammered into an effective team. Lose Nigger and you lose an impotant catalyst for the attitudes this unit displayed to their CO, and how his superiors treated him.

[MSTRS:Me]

Nigger. It's just a name. Lot's of people call(ed) their dog Blackie. Does that get the chop too? FFS. Oh, and I suppose the Holocaust never happened either?

[bert_is_evil]

nigger means black, they can get over it just quietly.

Nigger doesn't mean black - it means 4/5ths human. It was used as justification for enslaving africans and transporting them to USA, if they could convince themselves that africans were partly animal then it was acceptable (according to an American Studies Lecturer at Canterbury University I sat next to on a plane once, long flight...)

Which is not to say they should rename the dog, no point rewriting history (like Japan does in it's school text books with regard to WW2)

[Squeak the Rat]

Let's bomb these damn fritz's. What!
With all their killing of jews and
the like. Terrible shame that. Now wheres my dog,
come here you stupid nigger!

[slowpoke]

Tool are far from a publicity seeking band. Maynard James Keenan is a man who is outspoken about his opinion, as am I. Because of how different Tool are, is why people like them. They are not publicity seeking; They do what they love and people like it. Not their fault.

And that book written 60 years ago, revolutionised the world. The views taken and portrayed in that book are absolutely amazing. And if a 15 year old can read it, understand it, and appreciate it, then the author certainly done something right.

You must be the most pathetic life form I have ever had the displeasure of associating with. I wish the fleas of a thousand camels upon your testicles. Grow up and take a fucking look around you. See where this country is heading and take a look into the future. Take a look deeper into politicians and see what mind playing games they're up to. If a 15 year old can, then damn near anyone else can. Have a bit of fucking maturity mate.

And before you go calling me a redneck country kid. . .who's the one who lives in the Wairarapa and who's the one who spent 15 years in the West Island?

So you don't like being called by a stereotypical description? It's slightly politically incorrect isn't it? Hahahahahaha!
Funny how I'm a "pathetic life form" for "saying it like is" but when YOU do it you are striking a blow against the "establishment".....what a bloody hoot! What's the difference? Oh yeah, that's right you are on the receiving end this time.
Newsflash: this Keenan bloke is NOT the messiah and he's got publicist like all the rest of 'em. George Orwell's book is thought provoking, nothing more. Read a bit of Noam Chomsky or John Ralston Saul if you wanna be a bit more current.
Fleas from a camel? Have you even seen a camel in the flesh? How's about outside of a zoo? Have you ridden one? They are grumpy critters and not the easiest things in the world to get along with....but I digress.
Grow up? Have a bit of maturity? You are just makin' this too easy, so I'll let those go through to the keeper, with the admonition: look in the mirror.
The Wairarapa is just fine and dandy thank you very much, and I can say that after having lived and worked in multi million person cities, remote mining towns, offshore platforms and construction work in South Korea yada yada. Your opinion on the other hand is based on.....what exactly?
Get out of your bed room, turn off your Ipod, shut down your 'puter, jump on your bike and get out and experience life with an open mind before you preach to those who have got just a tad more real world experience than yourself.
You sound like a smart, if misguided, young fella and you're into bikes so there's hope for ya yet.

[MSTRS:Me]

...blah...blah...
You sound like a smart, if misguided, young fella and you're into bikes so there's hope for ya yet.

I blame the parents...

[The_Dover]

let's call the dog "Porch Monkey" or "bro"

[Squeak the Rat]

The Wairarapa is just fine and dandy thank you very much, and I can say that after having lived and worked in multi million person cities, remote mining towns, offshore platforms and construction work in South Korea yada yada. Your opinion on the other hand is based on.....what exactly?
Get out of your bed room, turn off your Ipod, shut down your 'puter, jump on your bike and get out and experience life with an open mind before you preach to those who have got just a tad more real world experience than yourself.
You sound like a smart, if misguided, young fella and you're into bikes so there's hope for ya yet.

You sound well traveled mate. Especially Australia. Awesome.

[James Deuce]

Let's bomb these damn fritz's. What!
With all their killing of jews and
the like.

That wasn't a motivation for the Allies in WW2. In fact they didn't believe it was happening, and post WW2, Britain helped Russia with its Jewish Pogroms, by blocking access to the Mediterranean and Palestine from the Black Sea, despite seeing what Hitler had done.

[slowpoke]

You sound well traveled mate. Especially Australia. Awesome.

I dunno about awesome mate, a lot of it didn't seem like much fun at the time! I've seen alot of things I wish I never had but I guess there are just as many I'd like to see again. It's funny the path life ends up finding for us.

[Pixie]

call it Bl*ck C*nt

[ManDownUnder]

When has it ever been appropriate to deny (or attempt to change) history?

The dog was called Nigger, it is offensive to some, so let's accept those two facts and get on with it. Include it in the movie - it's going to raise it as a talking point and help the immature make dicks of themselves and get some sense beaten into them.

Darwinism at work.

Or should we not talk about Auschwitz, the gassing of the kurds, child abuse, rape etc...?

[Pixie]

(according to an American Studies Lecturer at Canterbury University I sat next to on a plane once, long flight...)

It probably seemed much longer than it really was.

I had some neighbours,a nice couple,the woman was white and her husband was samoan.
They had a black lab called nigger.
Every day she would call out:"nigger,nigger" when it was the dog's feeding time.
I used to tell her the neighbours might get the wrong idea.