Help! We need an engine

[onearmedbandit]

Motu, i think you've completely misunderstood this thread and should back out now. The guy is asking for help in finding a replacement engine, if you can help I'm sure they would appreciate it, if not then why keep adding to the thread. It's not titled 'Convince us to give up competing in an international event and dump our current engine in favour of a sidevalve 4hp B&S so we can bodge up repairs if it blows'.

[FROSTY:Me]

I dont know if this helps or not But you could try squeezing the slleve out of the block and get it rechromed possibly

[Brian d marge]

Sorry guys to here of the problem

I know fsae well , there are a few guys ovr here in Japan competing ..I may a photo of their last machine.

If I can help ill try ..But an R1 block .,......

I am siding with Motu on this , while R1 may be the bees Knees, if it goes pop then a briggs and scrap iron WILL beat it. Unfortuantly because of the yamaha sponsorship you are limited to yamaha ....So if all else fail could you use a FZR600 ( 6.7kg.m compared to a ( one assumes ) an early model R1 at 6.9 kg.m

The trouble with NZ it that its poor, and the other uni are well ( READ VERY WELL ) funded so you are starting off on the left foot !

For example we have an annual comp for human flight, ( birdman ) and Tokyo university almost every year wins , with an average of over 2 or 3 km. they could do more but thats the course

The thing is, they use/ have a well supported team. and produce a awesome machine ,,,,,,

So you only have time /money/ or smarts

anyway

this is whats availabe here ( by the time u read this it would have been sold 10 000 yen )

http://page6.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f49835297


cylinder heads are going for 25 000 yen

Unfortuantly, I just sent some bike parts to a kb rider and a week and a bit later they still havent arrived ,,and I am getting worried so if times a factor............

Stephen

Ps ,, In racing you only get points for crossing the line, and if the parts arnt at the track with you ( read easily available ) then its the bus home and thank you for comming, Maybe a cbr 600 could have been a better bet .....

good luck hope you work it out

[Motu]

Motu, i think you've completely misunderstood this thread .

Uh,no - I don't think i have misunderstood at all.These guys want to win,but they only count winners at the flag - they won't get to the flag if they are standing around asking what are we going to do now.

[JeremyW]

See FSAE is about the learning. Obviosly winning is great and hence we all try our best. BUT if it all goes pear shaped (as it did last year) we still walk away much more knowledgable, skilled and well rounded engineers.

I know it sounds like a bunch of crap but that is how it is. We use the R6 because it is the best Yamaha engine around for the task at hand. Also the CBR does not have a stacked gearbox (as far as I know) and hence is more difficult to package into a small race car.

We are still a young team and overall are relitively inexperienced. With no one in our team over 25 and none having worked seriously in racing design I am pretty proud of what we have achieved. But we have made some pretty big ballsups in the past.

Its a common thing for us to recieve a lot of unsolicited advice so all Im asking is to understand what goes into the project and how much we give up for it before anyone starts baggin us....

Otherwise, thanks for the comments

[Motu]

Life is about learning - stop leaning and it's time to die.

[emaN]

...stop leaning and it's time to die...

i think you mean 'stop leaning & it's time to drive a cage'.....

[TonyB]

If you had an engine you could fix yourselves it would be much better - now you are at the mercy of fate.Burt and John didn't panic when their engines blew,they made new parts on the spot.Thought you were Kiwi's?

On one hand you are advocating using an engine that is commonly available and can be easily repaired, while on the other you are pointing to Munroe and Britten, two guys who definitely did NOT follow the path you are advocating.

What engine would you suggest they should have used? Do any compact and powerful bike engines made in the last 6-8 years use anything other than Nickasil or ceramic plated bores?? Remember, the engine needs to conform to the class rules.

[Hoon]

Uh,no - I don't think i have misunderstood at all.These guys want to win,but they only count winners at the flag - they won't get to the flag if they are standing around asking what are we going to do now.

Nah I think you've misunderstood. KISS will get you to the finish line but if you want to be the first one there you need to be cutting edge and take some risks. This is a competition between the brightest engineers from Universities around the world, not "Junkyard Wars".

[Freakshow]

Nah I think you've misunderstood. KISS will get you to the finish line but if you want to be the first one there you need to be cutting edge and take some risks. This is a competition between the brightest engineers from Universities around the world, not "Junkyard Wars".

I have been lucky to see the workshop and see first hand what they have to work with and what they started with a few years and how far they have come. There is some impresive stuff their. If you dont take a few risks you dont get the big rewards.

Good luck guys!

[adiddy]

what is this engine? yamaha what?! i dont do japanese

So you only have time /money/ or smarts

anyway

this is whats availabe here ( by the time u read this it would have been sold 10 000 yen )

http://page6.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f49835297


cylinder heads are going for 25 000 yen

Unfortuantly, I just sent some bike parts to a kb rider and a week and a bit later they still havent arrived ,,and I am getting worried so if times a factor............

Stephen

Ps ,, In racing you only get points for crossing the line, and if the parts arnt at the track with you ( read easily available ) then its the bus home and thank you for comming, Maybe a cbr 600 could have been a better bet .....

good luck hope you work it out

[TonyB]

this is whats availabe here ( by the time u read this it would have been sold 10 000 yen )

http://page6.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f49835297

10,000 yen? For a complete engine? Jeeze thats only $128 at todays exchange rate. Are we missing a zero?

[JeremyW]

I translated the page and it said it had 'crank burn', whatever that means. I think it might be a little busted but it is possibly worth a try. Thanks for the link.

We have another engine we could possibly use, it has a little scoring but could be cleaned up (easier than our current one anyhow!). Kinda a bummer it has to be changed because we have made a few internal changes for our dry sump system that will take a while to repeat. That is kinda why we want a good engine to do the work to.

[McJim]

Dumb question but have you tried all the bike wreckers too? I imagine there may be a few R6 engines that used to be in bikes in Australia/NZ.

Shame it wasn't a Gixxer engine you were looking for - Dover keeps putting Gixxer engines on the market!

[JeremyW]

Yep rung a few wreckers and not a single R6 engine in the country (apparently). Have contacted Victorian Motorcycle Wreckers and they can do us one for a good price but it will take a while.

We are also running very low on funds so we were hoping to find just the bore/case section if possible.

Does anyone know someone who races an R6? Or who I could contact who knows people in racing? they might have some parts lying around.