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[jrandom]

Err...I was told several things when i was in the territorials and one was that the SAS tested the styer and the c7a1 (the new m16 right) and they shot a goat (well several) and the Steyr took multiple shots to even knock down the goat and the m16 tooks a couple of shots and it was therefore their prefered choice....

The C7A1 is the Canadian version of the 16. And that sounds like a not-so-urban legend to me. They're shooting the same round and they have about the same barrel length. No reason at all why there would be any ballistic differences to speak of.

[hobdar]

The C7A1 is the Canadian version of the 16. And that sounds like a not-so-urban legend to me. They're shooting the same round and they have about the same barrel length. No reason at all why there would be any ballistic differences to speak of.

Yup, possibly. Though if i recall correctly it was told to me by a Staff Sargent from SAS while participating on a hostage training ex for SAS.

[jrandom]

Yup, possibly. Though if i recall correctly it was told to me by a Staff Sargent from SAS while participating on a hostage training ex for SAS.

Ah, right. Must be true then. An SAS noncom would NEVER exaggerate or spin bullshit.

[TwoSeven]

The XM8 (that is pictured on the HK) link is not the one that the US army will be using (its not its final variant). The one pictured seems to be missing some of its equipment rails and other bits.

There is an optics and optronics package, weapons package (for attachable 203 etc) and other bits that bolt on - the picture lacks the mounting rails (there were 4 last time I looked).

Nato has been issuing the G36 and it looks like this will be standard in most armed forces (the XM8 is actually just a G36 with a couple of bits added).

The bit about better to wound people is crap for several reasons. 1) wounded people shoot back. 2) combat soldiers are trained for shock and awe (to use a phase) so ignore wounded - hence no effect on moral. 3) its the medics job to help wounded - combat soldiers are trained will ignore them til after combat.

The reason Nato dropped heavy caliber ammo (7.6 etc) is for no other reason in that it weighs too much and soldiers cant carry as much. Also because it uses more material - it costs more to produce. Standard 5.56x45 is much better for military purposes. They still use 7.6x51 in the M60 and other heavy machine guns.

Note - that the Nato design criteria for a soldiers battlefield equipment is to reduce the overall weight they carry down to 36lbs which includes everything from the contents of the packs to the clothing worn and the new comms equipment (micro-optical and gsm technology).

The new clothing is infrared and ultraviolet proof (as well as all the other stuff), although I've only seen it in limited use in the UK at the moment. Its called multi-spectral camouflage and they even have it in paint form for vehicle application (inc aircraft).

Light sub machine guns and assault rifles are two different types of weapons - the latter is designed to shoot thru walls, buildings, light armour and combat armour, the former is designed so that it takes out unarmoured people (but stops them more effectively). Hence they fire a different type of round that has different characteristics - even tho they may be of the same caliber.

Newer nato ammo does not use the metal shell case, instead the outer part of the explosive material forms the case and burns away when fired. Its used in modern artil and tank rounds and I think it may be used in rifle ammo soon. Its correct name is combustible ordinance.


(NZ is massively out of date in equipment used, not just weaponry, but C&C and logistics stuff as well, so you cant compare what we do here with what other countries do).

[jrandom]

They still use 7.6x51 in the M60 and other heavy machine guns.

Any 30-calibre MG, like the deservedly-extinct M60, is properly called 'medium'.

Fifties are 'heavy'.

Newer nato ammo does not use the metal shell case, instead the outer part of the explosive material forms the case and burns away when fired. Its used in modern artil and tank rounds and I think it may be used in rifle ammo soon. Its correct name is combustible ordinance.

Or 'caseless ammo'.

The Germans tried it for some prototype designs in WW2, I think, but couldn't solve the cost and propellant-waterproofing problems, so it never made it into the field.

[hobdar]

Ah, right. Must be true then. An SAS noncom would NEVER exaggerate or spin bullshit.

NO NO not at all not the famous SAS...0(PT)



every thing must be taken with a grain of salt specially old war stories.....he he he he.............

R u familar with the SAS escape and evasion story from Waiouru????

A bunch of officer cadets are out doing their ex phase and get told to keep an eye out for the SAS types...as they are doing their escape and evasion training....so one keen office to be type swears black and blue that he is gonna catch one of these experienced SAS types...so he pushes his men up hill and down dale....and they finally come to rest at the end of the day and the officer is standing at the top of a hill, looking around trying to find an SAS dude.....in their amazing gutchiee suits ......a couple of minutes later he hears from beneath his feet "GET OFF MY F@#KEN back"

He jumps off startled and said SAS man stands up and stomps down the hill..... to open mouth'd Officer cadet....