SU-30MK --> Maverick is well and truely screwed

**R6_kid:Me** · 24th August 2007, 19:45

This amazing/scary... A plane that can actually "put the brakes on and he'll fly right by" - the smoke trails give a good indicator of what sort of space the aircraft is maneuvering in...

From the blurb:

Russian SU-30- Vectored Thrust with Canards

As you watch this airplane, look at the canards moving along side of, and just below the canopy rail.

This is a video of an in-flight demonstration flown by the Russian SU-30MK fighter aircraft. You'll not believe what you are about to see.

The fighter can stall from high speed, stopping in less than a second. Then it demonstrates an ability to descend tail first without causing a compressor stall. It can also recover from a flat spin in less than a minute. These capabilities don't exist in any other aircraft in the world today.

Take a look at the video with the sound up. This aircraft is of concern to U.S. and NATO planners. We don't know which nations will soon be flying the SU-30MK, hopefully China isn't one of them.

**paturoa** · 24th August 2007, 20:28

um - you forgot the link

**YLWDUC** · 24th August 2007, 20:29

And the hyperlink is where ?

Yup he's well and truly screwed. Mainly to do with the appalling acting, but also because if he gets within visual range of an SU-30 (or even 27) an F-14 can't outmanoeuvre.

Of course, before they phased out the tomcat, the phoenix missiles would put a stop to that.

**limbimtimwim** · 24th August 2007, 20:39

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jstAMtSOGwQ

That's not so impressive, I could make a plane that falls out of the sky. Easy.

**tri boy** · 24th August 2007, 21:25

Holy Shit

That was one impressive display.
Thanks.

**McJim** · 24th August 2007, 21:45

I remember similar levels of awe when the Hawker Siddley harrier was unveiled about 30 years ago.

In the Falklands conflict the Harriers DID put the brakes on, the Argentinians flew past and the Harriers fired their missiles and blew them up.....long before Maverick and TopGun movies.

**FlangMasterJ** · 24th August 2007, 22:18

Starscream's being doing that since the 80's.

**James Deuce** · 25th August 2007, 00:32

Originally Posted by McJim

I remember similar levels of awe when the Hawker Siddley harrier was unveiled about 30 years ago.

In the Falklands conflict the Harriers DID put the brakes on, the Argentinians flew past and the Harriers fired their missiles and blew them up.....long before Maverick and TopGun movies.

Sorry mate, there was not one recorded instance of VIFFing (Vector In Forward Flight) carried out by Harrier or Sea Harrier pilots in the Falklands conflict during combat.

Aeroplane magazine did a thorough analysis of the Falklands campaign a couple of months ago from the largely symbolic Vulcan raid on Stanley to the destruction of the Pucara fleet on the ground and the outstanding successes of the Argie Etendards and Skyhawks.

**Skunk** · 25th August 2007, 00:37

Originally Posted by McJim

I remember similar levels of awe when the Hawker Siddley harrier was unveiled about 30 years ago.

And they didn't see the need for the Mach 2 version so canned it...

**sAsLEX** · 25th August 2007, 00:54

It is irrelevant really.

PAAMS
Main characteristics______Aster 15______________Aster 30

Terminal Velocity______1,000 metres/sec_____1,400 metres/sec
______________________(Mach 3.5)___________(Mach 4.5)

Propulsion_______________Solid propellant, two stage

Manoeuvrability_____________> 50 G's

Guidance___________Continuous updating of target position via automatic
___________________up-link from radar.
___________________Active radar seeker for terminal phase

Steering____________PIF/PAF

Fuse_______________EM proximity fuse

Length____________________4.0 m__________4.8 m

Weight___________________300 kg __________445 kg

Terminal dart_________diameter 180 mm ; weight 100 kg. at intercept

Maximum range_____________30 km___________100 km

Minimum intercept range______1.7 km__________3 km

Maximum altitude of interception_10,000 m_____20,000 m

Other features______High resistance to ECM
__________________Focused fragment warhead
___________________ Ready-to-fire container

Aint no way it will out manoeuvre a missile capable of over 50 G LATAX......

**Chisanga** · 25th August 2007, 07:24

But have you seen the maneuverability of the new New Zealand Air Force Hang Gliders? Simply awesome! Apparently they can mount a .22 on it as well

**Clockwork** · 25th August 2007, 07:52

Originally Posted by Chisanga

But have you seen the maneuverability of the new New Zealand Air Force Hang Gliders? Simply awesome! Apparently they can mount a .22 on it as well

Fair doos.... this is pretty witty stuff but I was just wondering... how much of your taxes are you prepared for the Government to spend on a pissing contest that we just can't win?

**Donor** · 25th August 2007, 08:58

Originally Posted by Clockwork

Fair doos.... this is pretty witty stuff but I was just wondering... how much of your taxes are you prepared for the Government to spend on a pissing contest that we just can't win?

Lots. Just because we could never build a defence force to prevent a take over of the country, at the very least it would be nice to think we could slow the buggers down a bit.

Sure, our boys do great work with what they have now, and we have a very shiny playground in Afghanistan to prove it, oh along with a VC!

And I see we blew some left over tali-qaeda explosives up the other day... well, nothing impressive there, out P cooks manage that sort of shit on a much more frequent basis...

So yeah, divert some of my tax from paying for treaty matters, ministerial enquiries in to panty sniffing fetishes and a supply of sterile gloves for the pollies to use during their shit slinging fests in the gummint building thing.

Get the boys some new toys and at least bring us screaming into the Century of the Fruitbat!

...where was I...

Oh, in short I am prepared for the gummint to spend a lot of my tax.

*burp*

**Swoop** · 25th August 2007, 15:17

Originally Posted by Jim2

Sorry mate, there was not one recorded instance of VIFFing (Vector In Forward Flight) carried out by Harrier or Sea Harrier pilots in the Falklands conflict during combat.

Correct. You want to keep as much engery available as possible. Stopping in midair makes you a stationary target.

Originally Posted by Skunk

And they didn't see the need for the Mach 2 version so canned it...

Dogfighting (English US = ACM) is a subsonic activity. To get a Harrier to go supersonic, it would probably lose the ability to land vertically.

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

It is irrelevant really.
Manoeuvrability_____________> 50 G's
Aint no way it will out manoeuvre a missile capable of over 50 G LATAX......

That bloody organic component slowing things up... again!
MiG 29s with the helmet mounted sighting system started it all... just look at your opposition and the missile drops off the rail and can turn into the attack far quicker than anything organic.
The Russian engineers know how to design a plane AND make it look SEXY!