Moto Guzzi 2007 models

[Paul in NZ]

I rode the bike for about 1 1/2 to 2 hr's and it run great apart from the off the idle hiccup, which I could ride around.

I'm very sorry D, but I have to disagree with you on the pod filters as I have never heard that they are a bad thing and coursing bike's to as you said shit them self's.
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Yup - but you know your way around a Guzzi and are unlikely to have much problem with one. My comment that I was red repped for was to be careful and to do the research because putting pod filters onto a V11 is not as simple as putting the pods onto my Mk2.

The air box has an air sensor and terminates a breather (from memory). What has the previous owner done with them? If I read the forums correctly - some of the guys are using pod 'kits' that answer some of those questions and the ones that have a good result are also running a PC3 or modified software to compensate for the pods. I'd have exactly the same reservations if someone stuck on a set of slipons or a cross over without a proper FI set up being done. If there is documented evidence that it's been done correctly - it's just a matter of taste.

There is a temp sensor as well which can produce terrible gas mileage if interfered with. The question is - has this mod been done properly or will it cause problems - it's a fair question because I have seen people block off breather tubes and rip out sensors because they didn't understand what the function of these devices - that can lead to some bad things happening. Guzzis are pretty reliable and will soldier on with all sorts for mal adjustment - for a while anyway.

What would concern me most of all - apart from any resale value issues - would be why has the PO fitted pods without a better flowing exhaust? A better cross over and cans fitted with the pods and the FI remapped to suit could be a very good thing indeed but perhaps someone just took a cheap 'cosmetic' approach and lucked out?

The people I know that have backed up their mods with statistical testing tend to run a modified air box with exhaust mods and PC3 or updated map as a base.

I can't see what the fuss is - the importer is in ChCh. All it needs is to go to Eric Woods and whack it on the axion (sp?) tool to check the balance and mixture is OK and ride with confidence. I merely suggested that he goes into it with his eyes open - much as you would do with any modified bike.

Having said that - a traditional Guzzi owner knows there are no standard bikes - they are all modified over time (and then restored when they get old) and my own bike has plenty of non standard features. Point is - this guy is new to Guzzi and asked what to look out for on a particular bike - I think he is aware of any issues now though!!!!

Of well - I guess we all get passionate about Moto Guzzi

[Paul in NZ]

Interesting stuff, LM.
I'm checking the links out too.

What I would like to do is check the V11 out for myself and also check out the WMCC one.
I have made up my mind that's what I want, whether it's either of those is another thing.
There does not seem to be an abundance of V11's in NZ for sale.

This week - Guzzis are rare but they do come up for sale regularly. The closest dealer is in Masterton and bound to know of one for sale. There is always a lack of choice at this time of the year in all bikes.. apparently it's summer

[nudemetalz]

You're quite right,...I am new to Guzzi's and I have so far, appreciated all of the advice (conflicting or not) as well as the helpful links supplied.

I'm at an age now where top-speed is totally irrelevant nowdays but an occasional good hustle through a corner is required .
The flair of the Guzzi's and (apparent) idiosyncracies also really appeal to me, a bike with character.
Plus I plan to do a lot of open road miles.


So thanks to all for the help given and apologies if it turned a little hot.
I guess Guzzi owners are more passionate than I realised !!

[Paul in NZ]

You're quite right,...I am new to Guzzi's and I have so far, appreciated all of the advice (conflicting or not) as well as the helpful links supplied.

I'm at an age now where top-speed is totally irrelevant nowdays but an occasional good hustle through a corner is required .
The flair of the Guzzi's and (apparent) idiosyncracies also really appeal to me, a bike with character.
Plus I plan to do a lot of open road miles.


So thanks to all for the help given and apologies if it turned a little hot.
I guess Guzzi owners are more passionate than I realised !!

The Guzzi riders didn't get tichy with each other - we discussed it rationally and agree to disagree like the true gents we are.... I'm about to embark on a freshen up on the dread Mk2 soon so you can come up and poke oily bits with a screw driver and find out why they are so bloody neat to work on too... Only a couple of really tricky jobs the rest is a handfull of spanners and allen keys and aways ya go...

[R1madness]

Paul. The reason i red reped you was you haven't even been in to look at the bike but are full of "opinions". How about you come in for a look, Take it for a ride (bring your licence), check it over, kick the tyres, feel free to take it to Eric Woods and get them to check it over. and THEN express your "informed opinion".

I see no need to red rep Dangerous because he did exactly that. Hey Dangerous come back and take it for a ride.


By the way, i recommend every to customer that they take a bit of time to consider the bike they are interested in. I will hold a bike for 48hours with a refundable $20 deposit so they have pleanty of time without having to worry about missing out on a good buy. They are never pressured and can come and have as many rides as they like to.

[R1madness]

OK... Im going to put 2 n 2 togeather here... are you Ian, the shop owner?

If so I came in and saw you today at lunch time... now what Paul says is VERY correct, sorry R1M but have you been involved with MG like myself and more so Paul???

I agree with Paul, injected MG with pod filters isn't a very good idea, why cos they run like a bag of shit and have been known to shit them selves through leanness.

I would not do this to any of my injected Guzzis... as even from the factory they do not run 100%, but with a little knowledge and after market chips etc and I might add with this V11 the whole ECU would need replacing to compensate.

Having said that... I was happy with the way the bike started and idled, I do not think that there would be any problems with this bike the wee nipper you swiped it from in Japan... must of known his shit.

Hi Dangerious. Yes i am the shop owner. Ian is my name. I have lots o experiance with MG. Having worked for both the "OFFICIAL MG importer" and the "unofficial MG importer" in the past, as well as more than 20 years experiance on several other brands of bike including Harley Davidson where i was workshop foreman, Honda, Yamaha (7 years racing), Suzuki (5 years mechanicing for Anderw Stroud), Kawasaki (4 years racing), Ducati and Laverda.
Never really had a guzzi of my own but several of my mates have so i think i have worked on and ridden enough to know what they are about.
Thanks for asking tho.
All our biikes are backed up with a 90 day warrentee so if its not right i will make it right.
Cheers all.

[Paul in NZ]

Paul. The reason i red reped you was you haven't even been in to look at the bike but are full of "opinions". How about you come in for a look, Take it for a ride (bring your licence), check it over, kick the tyres, feel free to take it to Eric Woods and get them to check it over. and THEN express your "informed opinion".
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I live in Wellington. You offering to pay the airfair? Similar for the prospective purchaser - shouldn't he be aware of any 'potential' issues before he spends his cash and gets on a plane. Given he knows nothing about Moto Guzzis and there is no official dealer in Wellington he is going to be fixing it and maintaining it himself. He asked for peoples opinions - I gave it - whats your problem with that??

Read my post without your angry goggles on - I actually encouraged him to ride it BUT to be aware it has been modified (which he may not have known at that stage) and in my opinion (and only an opinion - ONE opinion) not in a way I would personally do it (for the reasons stated). Having an opinion different to yours does not make me a 'loser'. However - you have not offered any technical reason why it's a good modification either (as some have)....

Your call - red rep away to your hearts content mate. You could have discussed it openly but you didn't - and thats leading me to form other of my dangerous 'opinions'. I'll keep that one to myself

[R1madness]

He knew about the mods. It was the first thing i told him about when he phoned me. I rated the bike as 7.5 out of 10 because of the mods. The bike is very low k and i believe it is priced low enough (given the prices i have seen other V11s advertised for) at $11,000 to allow any purchaser to refit a std air box and side covers if they want to.
I never said it was a good mod or a bad one. Just pointed out that it had been done is all. It sounds great and runs nice. What more to say?
Thanks

[dangerous]

You're quite right,...I am new to Guzzi's and I have so far, appreciated all of the advice (conflicting or not) as well as the helpful links supplied.

I'm at an age now where top-speed is totally irrelevant nowdays but an occasional good hustle through a corner is required .
The flair of the Guzzi's and (apparent) idiosyncracies also really appeal to me, a bike with character.
Plus I plan to do a lot of open road miles.


So thanks to all for the help given and apologies if it turned a little hot.
I guess Guzzi owners are more passionate than I realised !!

The Guzzi of all shapes and sizes can and will boggie in the corners... then they can give you the best cruz on the open road ya ever had, hell just a few weeks back a bet was put on that a R1 would beat me to Akaroa... well he dident The v11 cleaned up on a VTR, R1 & new GSXR750. (ps: I was pushing my luck tho. dont want a repeat of that)

idiosyncracies and character they have, and passionate we are.

Having said that - a traditional Guzzi owner knows there are no standard bikes - they are all modified over time

Yip and the pod thing has alwas been at the lemans roots, hardly a MG out ther with out them... but then theres the inj bikes... not so many converted, Id say the reason this bike was done was for a athentic Guzzi look, just like the old days.

A) I'm very sorry D, but I have to disagree with you on the pod filters as I have never heard that they are a bad thing and coursing bike's to as you said shit them self's.
Some Guzzi's did shit them self's on the right barrel and one one knows why.
Lloyds did and after they changed the barrel and piston it never did it again.

B) Some people like pod filters and others do not, but have not heard of a mechanical reason not to use them apart for the extra weight on the intake manifold that can maybe cause cracking or that the filters can sag and cause a blockage and run rich.

C) The moment you change the amount of air going into or out of a motor you may have to change the jetting or injection levels by mapping or changing a chip.

D) The way I looked at it is, at the price of the bike

a&b) dont be sorry, You know a shit load about the carbed Guzzi, more than I will ever know... but my fortay is the injected Guzzi.
It is well knowen amongest the inj MG berthren that they do not run well on pods... UNLESS the engine has been well tuned to suit, and I'd say this bike has been.
The inj bike (older they are the worse they were) runs like a bag of shit from the factory, hell even my 05 V11 has a very bad miss at 2800rpm... but thats MG for ya, there are after market chips (older bikes) and replacement ECUs availble which will have the bike running sweet, but most guys I know end up chasing there tails for years trying to sort it and often never do if using pods.

As far as bikes shitting them selves go, I'm talking from the simple ECU packing a wobley and over fueling the bike till it shuts down to0 burnt out valves... the seizeing thing was something out of caractor for a certian modle and was knowen to happen on stock bikes.

c) correct, but MG injection is basic and often wont respond too well to being ultered, unlike a 38mm fuck off carb that can be well tuned but even you know different temps/altatudes can often put them out of wack again.

d) As for the price, IMO its not the bargan of the year I'd pay no more for it... how ever it is rather hard to find a MG at that price, they just seem to hold there price so well.

NOW from what I have said above comes from 1st hand experance from bikes like my own, Brian Mears, that old fella with the munted let and others... and FWIW I paid 17k for a brand new v11... and a rather rear one at that

[dangerous]

Paul:
You did nor said anything wrong, the forum is here to give our opions, thats all you did, as I did and R1M... hell if we never said what we thought we wouldnt have a forum.

R1Mad:
Your responce was OTT but then again Paul didnt need to fire up quit so quick, I however do know why he did... I think you reminded him of some lesser liked members.
Also your posts since have been good, more like a guy in your position should behave, now... you may want to take back your offer for me to ride the v11, you cant have heard the storys... I had the demo Griso for a weekend, returned it with a much lighter side stand and in need of some new tyres (I picked it up with 52k on it) however I know that that that sorta treatment will not harm a Guzzi, and thats why I think your V11 will be fine, but as with a stock bike the new owner may find on going tuning problems, but hey thats Guzzi

[laRIKin]

What I would like to do is check the V11 out for myself and also check out the WMCC one.
I have made up my mind that's what I want, whether it's either of those is another thing.
There does not seem to be an abundance of V11's in NZ for sale.

You really do have check them out for your self, after all it's going to be your bike and it's your money.
I have walked away from some good bike's over the years, just because it did not feel right or something felt fishy.
And have taken some for the opposite reason. ESP?

And Guzzi are a funny thing, you sell them in 6 months or you still have them in 6 years.
It has taken 14 years for me to move on to a new road bike.

Best of luck and hope that YOU are happy with YOUR choice.

Rik

[Paul in NZ]

He knew about the mods. It was the first thing i told him about when he phoned me. I rated the bike as 7.5 out of 10 because of the mods. The bike is very low k and i believe it is priced low enough (given the prices i have seen other V11s advertised for) at $11,000 to allow any purchaser to refit a std air box and side covers if they want to.
I never said it was a good mod or a bad one. Just pointed out that it had been done is all. It sounds great and runs nice. What more to say?
Thanks

Well dangerous reckons I fired up a bit quick and frankly I'd trust his judgement in the matter but... (takes a deep breath) hang on a moment... I didn't start it or calling me a loser for 'condemming' a bike???? I think thats a pretty long bow to draw...

Now - in the post above, you yourself admit that the bike IS modified and that modification has affected it's resale value and thus you priced it accordingly. If you felt the need to mention it - whats the problem with me pointing out exactly the same issue to a buyer that asked my opinion and lives locally to me??? I'm confused?? Tell me where I acted like a loser and where I condemed the bike. Right from the start I encouraged him into a Guzzi and to ride it - what is your problem with that?

As for coming to see it? I live in wellington - thats bloody ridiculous.....

Nah - sorry - I'm of the opinion I'm not going off the deep end here. Perhaps others think otherwise but - I do accept I have a deep seated personality disorder - but loser? Good lord - and I'm going off a bit quick???

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of couse the GREAT thing about making an arse of yourself in a Guzzi thread is no one else on KB sees it...

[Ghost_Bullet]

As well as being entertained , I myself am learning a bit to... being a Guzzi owner for a mere 5yrs'ish.

Nothin like some varied opinions... makes us all human...

[dangerous]

Well dangerous reckons I fired up a bit quick and frankly I'd trust his judgement in the matter but... (takes a deep breath) hang on a moment... I didn't start it or calling me a loser for 'condemming' a bike???? I think thats a pretty long bow to draw...

of couse the GREAT thing about making an arse of yourself in a Guzzi thread is no one else on KB sees it...

LMFAO, every one reads a MG thread Paul... they are just to gutless to post on one

Now fireing up a bit quick isnt a bad thing, well it cant be cos Im a shocker at it... I just didnt expect it from you, but I woulda done the same (maybe swore a bit more tho) As far as being a loser... that was a jack arsed comment for R1M to say... fuck man pot n kettle in all that he has no idea who, what, were you are... looser is the VERY LAST thing you could possible be... it was a real wankie comment, just defending his shop i guess (plus I think he may have short arse syndrome)

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[R1madness]

Its a reputation thing. I will put my rep as a mechanic and shop owner against anyones. Yea i am short, no i dont care, my feet reach the ground (except on a KTM990 or Triumph Tiger)

Like i said the guy knew all about the little faults. (all 3 of them).

Yea maybe i was a bit harsh but whatever, at least i did my name calling in private. I expected him to reply with a bad rep. As for reminding him of lesser liked members......... well........... thats ok. Not everyone likes everyone.

As for the offer for Paul in NZ to ride, well if he put where he was from in his profile from i would have know he was from Wellington. Still if he is ever here in Chch he is welcome to call in. I thought he must be in CHCH since he knew who/where the Guzzi shop was. Oh yea Eric Woods is no longer the Guzzi Dealer by the way.
Dangerous, the offer to ride it is there for you to take. I will fit it up on a set of pirelli dragon super corsa pros if you want.