Educational Motorcycle Training Video - Production

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Gidday All
Over at my 'Newbie Training Update' thread for wannabies and newbies popped up a theme.

With the introduction of YouTube now available on the internet it could be possible to 'produce' some reasonable training videos.

My initial reaction would be to target the production at good standard level and involving accredited motorcycle specialist. The video could be produced for DVD and snippet exposure on YouTube. I appreciate that ACC produced a video about Group Riding and it was quite reasonable and matter a fact. Similar training videos addressing and re-addressing the basic fundamentals of riding and progressing through to advanced skill levels could all be dove tailed into New Zealand 'tourism' and indeed cover the spectra of both islands in different seasons etc etc. Not quite Lord of the Rings production but indeed the scenery would be a wonderful factor.

Potentially within this Kiwibiker community a hub of skilled expertise could be brought together on a voluntary basis and any income derived from the sale of such material could be donated to charity/s.

On the other hand this could be an entrepreneural opportunity for somebody to run with. A twelve part or greater series of motorcycling around NZ with instructional and tourism themes.

I don't know where this idea could take off and who would want to be involved but I think we have some of the best motorcycle riding country in the world and running on the back of constructive and effective instructional technique could be a very positive.

Reality television well it has bouquets and bricks, but to have a national event drawing in entrants and team entrants with the whole theme of motorcycling skills and safety well it could perhaps be an angle.

Happy to receive PM messages at the supportive positive level, and by all means post in open forum any general comments.

Here is where and when the theme popped up yesterday:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...064#post826064

Heads Up and Enjoy

[ManDownUnder]

tis a bloody good idea.

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The idea has merit. I doubt, however, that my videos would be too educational at this juncture (except insofar as they could be held up as shining examples of how NOT to do it!). See link below:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=38639

This is definately an idea that someone with experience could run with though. I suspect that there are already videos of this nature available but the psyche of many new bikers tends to be "I wanna bike coz I wanna go fast" and they are therefore not of a mindset to want to watch said videos whether free or not.

Will watch this space though - seems interesting.

Agreed McJim, I suppose it comes down to the angle I think the raw beauty of this country is a good theme, competition reality tv another, participation quiz another, but underlying it would be riding skills development.

It may not be Peter Jackson stuff, but it has been shown to us in the past 10 years how we can break into new ground.

Thanks for your positive support it is appreciated.

Heads Up and Enjoy

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Found him! http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=mordeth13

Thanks Wasp, from a conceptual aspect sure, however a collaborative production with a specialist team with credentials would be good too.

[The Stranger:Me]

Thanks Wasp, from a conceptual aspect sure, however a collaborative production with a specialist team with credentials would be good too.

Collaborative???
Can't be done.

Can you imagine trying to get 2 people to agree to anything here, let alone 10 or 100.

Just look at the emergency braking thread, or the tyre heat cycle thread, or the brake fluid thread.

Sorry for being the cynic, but every post or bit of advice given on KB is countered, there is no need to worry if you know what you are talking about or not, just so long as you have your 2c in is the important thing.

Not that I expect servicing a front calliper would be involved in the video, but by way of example, I suggest using Loctite and a torque wrench when installing a front calliper and almost immediately someone says you don't need to. Well I guess you don't (I always will) but as long as people feel the need to counter every bit of advice given how you ever going to agree on the content.

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Collaborative???
Can't be done.

Can you imagine trying to get 2 people to agree to anything here, let alone 10 or 100.

Thanks for your input.

I suppose it is how we confront challenges in life:

A current one being
Water Front or Eden Par.
[ok let's not go there.]

However when producing an instructional video, all the viewers will not necessarily agree all the time. At the end of the day it's a production and completed with or without compromise.

Thanks again

[bell]

Perhaps the ACC people might see merit to (partially?) funding a project like this. I think it would be great for the large number of learner riders who have trouble reading or making sense of concepts in books. The visual learners amongst us.

[McJim]

Collaborative???
Can't be done.

Can you imagine trying to get 2 people to agree to anything here, let alone 10 or 100.

Just look at the emergency braking thread, or the tyre heat cycle thread, or the brake fluid thread.

Sorry for being the cynic, but every post or bit of advice given on KB is countered, there is no need to worry if you know what you are talking about or not, just so long as you have your 2c in is the important thing.

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I disagree Noel...P/T....my 2c

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Like the idea.

CaN - I know, it is a pain no-one can ever agree in this place, we all want to put our 2c in. So, let's use this to our advantage!

Instead of a boring instructional, "ours is the right way", video how about a instruction a la Mythbusters style.

This would be perfect for demonstrating the braking argument. You mentioned setting up cones and watching the results. I am sure the format would be useful in dispelling many other Motorcycle Myths!

Let's go for it, my hand is up to help.

What do we need?

[terbang]

Like the idea.

CaN - I know, it is a pain no-one can ever agree in this place, we all want to put our 2c in. So, let's use this to our advantage!

Instead of a boring instructional, "ours is the right way", video how about a instruction a la Mythbusters style.

This would be perfect for demonstrating the braking argument. You mentioned setting up cones and watching the results. I am sure the format would be useful in dispelling many other Motorcycle Myths!

Let's go for it, my hand is up to help.

What do we need?

The reason we have everyone putting in their 2c worth and with such varied opinions is because we are all poorly trained or educated in the skill of Motorcycle riding in the first place. This includes me. It's just a matter of physics that is well established as to how a motorcycle performs and behaves in various situations. The design of motorcycles nowdays is such that it is the human element that needs to catch up. Like any high performance machine (Jet airplaine, car ETC) it easily outperforms the man so we need strategys based on our knowledge to manage our own destiny. Take a look at the LTSA stuff. Very spartan and out of date. The ACC stuff is also good but it needs more. The root issue here in motorcycling in NZ is leadership (not the military kind though). We don't have any (can't see why the dealers don't get involved and invest here). Like jet drivers (and I am qualified to teach those) you need to concentrate on (dare I rant again) Personal handling skills, the cognitve and motor memory stuff (on an old trailie in a muddy paddock is a good place to start this). Mental skills, the understanding of what is happening around you stuff including the rules (can be taught in a classroom). Self control skills, being able to take full advantage of the other two skills in an appropriate fashion (thats where the senior or mentoring programs work). this not only needs to be done at the beginning but there needs to be some sort of refresher or continued development programme as riders become more experienced. (and the dealers will sell more big bikes..! See the point dealers) But this all needs some sort of management.

On KB we also have such a mixbag of skills and it is fair to say a good road rider is not necessarily any good on the track and vice versa. Hence the conflicting opinions. This is useful to an experienced rider as you can take what you need from it but its a confusing nightmare for the new rider.

[The Stranger:Me]

(can't see why the dealers don't get involved and invest here).
(and the dealers will sell more big bikes..! See the point dealers)

Cynic here again.

I too was under the impression that it would make good business sense to have a customer live long enough to be a repeat customer. Repeats are always an easier sell in my limited experience.

The dealers are too busy selling bikes to worry about weather or not the customer lives, there is always another customer. After all motorbikes don't kill people, people do, so it is not thier problem.

You would be amazed (I know I am) at the opportunities that have been presented to dealers to help out in this regard and they are either too lazy or too busy to get off their butts and help.

For example ACC distributed a large number of the book, The Bikers Bible (an excellent book, value about $40.00 if I recall) to dealers up and down the country as a give away with bikes sold. A good idea you would think. However coincidentally the boxes also made good door stops, seats and steps. Which is what most of them got used for. How many here got their free copy?

There have been other iniatives (training, hi-vis vests) put to dealers with similar results.

ACC may be a go though, they have helped out where they can see a direct benefit, RRRS Dunedin for example and the watch out for motorbikes campaign etc.

Insurance industry may see a benefit, but don't hold your breath. Hard to imagine they have an interest in bringing the cost of insurance down. Premiums are based on claims, so if claims rise, premiums rise and co-incidentally, the higher the premium (and the more claims you deny), the higher the profit.

[Disco Dan]

I suggest a weekly/monthly newbie ride with KB site mentors....

set up a bike mounted camera and bike to bike communication, ride along and after some editing, publish to a website (i'll volunteer my site for hosting?) as well as youtube?

would help newbies improve their skills, and create some great educational video too!!

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I suggest a weekly/monthly newbie ride with KB site mentors....

set up a bike mounted camera and bike to bike communication, ride along and after some editing, publish to a website (i'll volunteer my site for hosting?) as well as youtube?

would help newbies improve their skills, and create some great educational video too!!

Well done Disco Dan - this may have Auckland moving in the right direction.

I'm in Wellington - any starters down here with camera etc.

Other regions want to try and get moving on this..

The mentor weekly/newbie ride would be sensible and practical. Groups of three or four including mentor.

Don't worry about quality of production at this stage.

Hands Up anybody with recognised credentials that may be prepared to review camera footage as Tech Advisor - TA.
Okay this is a start - we're coming into xmas and so forth, but with good riding weather and longer days.

Disco Dan, your site for hosting sounds good - this leads into editing camera footage and incorporating TA voice over. I am not upto speed with how we would do this in the net environment.

Let's have the ball rolling and target a review of where we're at say end of February.

Perhaps this could be enhanced with in the forums similar to the 'Events' where we have regional location pre-fix: Eg Auckland - Motorcycle Training Video Production R&D....Wellington - Motorcycle Training etc.

Heads Up and Enjoy

[Tricia1000]

Let me know if I can be of any help. I do have bike to bike radio.

Tricia
It could cost thousands to do this video, of course

Well done Disco Dan - this may have Auckland moving in the right direction.

I'm in Wellington - any starters down here with camera etc.

Other regions want to try and get moving on this..

The mentor weekly/newbie ride would be sensible and practical. Groups of three or four including mentor.

Don't worry about quality of production at this stage.

Hands Up anybody with recognised credentials that may be prepared to review camera footage as Tech Advisor - TA.
Okay this is a start - we're coming into xmas and so forth, but with good riding weather and longer days.

Disco Dan, your site for hosting sounds good - this leads into editing camera footage and incorporating TA voice over. I am not upto speed with how we would do this in the net environment.

Let's have the ball rolling and target a review of where we're at say end of February.

Perhaps this could be enhanced with in the forums similar to the 'Events' where we have regional location pre-fix: Eg Auckland - Motorcycle Training Video Production R&D....Wellington - Motorcycle Training etc.

Heads Up and Enjoy

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Let me know if I can be of any help. I do have bike to bike radio.

Tricia
It could cost thousands to do this video, of course

Gidday Tricia

You're right it would take thousands, time and professional skills from numerous people.

My thoughts are along the line if we could start off with different regions attempting to get amateur video stuff done and onto You Tube and at hosted sites, then down through say March next year we could get a handle on what sort of 'momentum' is out there. Possibly the whole theme may get some recognition and spark an interest to take it to another level.

Learning to ride has so many components and is on going, and most importantly what we learn to do by instinct, correctly, is invaluable.

I sincerely like to think that this whole subject can get elevated from more than just an initial concept and that serious endorsement can arise from interested individuals, corporates, whoever or whatever.

Slowly slowly, we may be able to get things moving.

Heads Up and Enjoy