P/Methamphetamines

[Mr. Peanut]

I have a member of my family that's gotten caught up in this shit. The thing is, I had no idea how pervasive this stuff was.

Seems a large group of people (fathers, mothers.... respected members of the community...) are into this shit. This is not a drug you can take recreationally, even heroin users have more control over their habit.

One hit and you're fucked.

It would be interesting to know how many of you, know people that have used the stuff. I think we're going to get a hell of a wakeup call.

[VasalineWarrior]

I know people who have used. Im going to go out on a limb here though, because I think the media has has blown the ''P'' issue into something akin to the war on terror. P, speed, whatever has been with us for a long time (70's) when the first hell's angles came over from the states and sold the recipie as a franchise to the gangs etc. The most common misconception is that its some new thing, and its not. The people I know who have done the stuff are into all sorts of other things, and its just another thing on the ''to do'' list for the evening.

There are other things out there that can fuck you up just as badly. Alcohol, the socialially acceptable drug of choice for the masses has a brillant track record of problems that emmanate from its use.

The problem as I see it seems to stem from the fact that there are some out there that seem to be unable to stomach thier A class drugs. Sort of similar to problem gamblers and stupid 18 year olds on courtney place full of booze at 2am on a saturday night.

Not condoning it, just reckon its a bit too hyped up.

[SN4PD]

We suspect a few people at work have been using........

Their work starts to deteriorate, they stop turning up on time..... and eventually they get fired.

Nicotine is addictive enough, WTF would you go smoke P

(That stuff really fucks you up big time, irreversibly)

[Lou Girardin]

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One hit and you're fucked.

They said that of dope in the 50's. It's not true of speed either.

[SixPackBack]

Directly responsible for the death of my 36 year old brother-in-law.
Not comparable to Pot or Alcohol IMHO.

[The_Dover]

Absolute horse shit that it's as addictive as heroin.

If heroin was readily available in NZ and as cheap as some european countries then we'd see the effects of a REAL drug problem.

The media/government/cops have blown the P "epidemic" out of all proportion.

Fuck, half the kids I went to school with were into speed at the weekends and still lead normal lifes but the physical effects of heroin addiction are disturbingly visible.

[Uncle B]

A guy at work is on it.......he's always late and has the occasional day off and also has bad mood swings, almost bordering on violent.
He is also divorced now with a protection order against him because of these mood swings, plus most of his mates are on it.

How can this shit be good for you when they (police) find a 'P' lab they have to completely strip the room of all it's wall linings because of the contamination.

I have no sympathy for anyone who is on this shit when the harmful effects are so well publicised.

[WINJA]

A guy at work is on it.......he's always late and has the occasional day off and also has bad mood swings, almost bordering on violent.

SOUNDS LIKE ME ON A MONDAY MORNING.

I WAS TELLING MY MATE A GOOD JOKE , IT WENT LIKE THIS , WHAT DO YOU GIVE A MAN FOR CHRISTMAS WHO HAS EVERYTHING ? GIVE HIM P AND SOON HE'LL HAVE NOTHING , SADLY IT CAME TRUE FOR HIM

[Colapop]

For those that have said "It's not that bad..." HAve you tried it? Have you seen members of your family or friends destriyed by it? Sure it's been around for awhile. Sure there's a media campaign. Why? Not because the government can't tax it, but because it (like heroin, crack etc) fucks you and your family up.

[jetboy]

Lost a few good mates to this crap...seems to be quite common in people around my age group. A very good mate of mine got into it quite badly - he ended up stealing from me, his mrs and his parents just to pay for it, fucked over alot of mates. I've seen it change people from good guys to fuckwits. Personally wouldnt wanna touch it.

[Edbear]

Have to agree with WINJA , SPB, Colapop and SN4PD, etc. here. The version of 'P' being used is deadly. Ask those who are on the frontline, actually dealing with the effects and consequences whether they think it's not so bad. Bear in mind that generally speaking, the lowlife's are getting worse in attitude, too. More agressive and violent in general. HAving said that, the people doing 'P' are more and more the so-called "normal" mums and dads and they are being surprised at the consequences themselves, but of course it's too late once hooked.

I've seen what it does and talked to those directly affected by the person using it, and seen the Doco's, (yes you can actually glean a few facts from these at times). It seems to inevitably turn the user completely paranoid and they usually become violent as a result, turning on friends and family. Don't expect to be able to reason with a "P" addict, like Anorexia and other serious mental disorders, only direct physical intervention has any hope of success.

This is one area where the Tazer may be most effective as someone violently hyped on 'P' simply cannot be talked to - if the cops can't tackle him physically only a bullet will stop him. At least the Tazer gives them another option.

[MisterD]

I know people who have used. Im going to go out on a limb here though, because I think the media has has blown the ''P'' issue into something akin to the war on terror. P, speed, whatever has been with us for a long time (70's)

P and speed are not the same thing - P is what is known as Crystal Meth in US and Europe and it's starting to have a similar effect over there, in spite of the fact that cocaine is cheap as chips...

[dnos]

I have known a couple of people who have been into it. It really can mess people up, as said above violence and stealing are both consequences i have directly seen from these people.
I definitely don't want to be friends with anyone doing that shit.
I've seen one guy who went / was sent to rehab and now he has to work bloody hard to pay off all the money he pilfered to pay for drugs. It looks like getting back on the straight and narrow is going to be a long hard process.

In my opinion it is bad shit, and people addicted to it can end up in a very bad situation.

[MSTRS:Me]

From some of the posts here, it is obvious that there are some misconceptions about P.
Listen up...IT IS BAAAAAAAD SHIT. An insidious evil that destroys communities, not to mention indiviuals. It has no redeeming qualities. Anyone want to hazard a guess as to how much of the crime in this country is directly associated with this shit???

[WRT]

I know quite a few people who have been/still are users, from a very wide range of society. Some it has completely fucked their lives up, others it is merely an enjoyable pass time every now and again. I dont believe the "one hit and your fucked" philosophy, but its definitely not good stuff to be involved in. I for one have never smoked it, and have absolutely no intention of ever doing so. I also tend not to hang out people that do it, when they are doing it.

One mate, who is now struggling (REALLY struggling) to rebuild his life after being a heavy user has his own phillosophy on it. He thinks that the drugs only ever highlight the bad stuff that is already inside you. Hence why some people can take it and not resort to chopping hands off with samurai swords, while others cant.

One thing that is for sure however, they remove your inhibitions and the little barriers that stop "normal" people from doing or saying what they know they shouldnt. And sleep deprevation (at the extent that is possible with P) is well known to induce psycosis. Any one that has been using P (or any other drug for that matter) to go for days without sleep is a dangerous person to be around.

My opinion? I'm a fairly liberal guy, and I've normally got no problem with people taking drugs recreationally, however P is a completely different ball game. It's a nasty, nasty drug.