P/Methamphetamines

[Black Bandit]

Before and after photos:

[Paul in NZ]

well.... Like anything - no one says to themselves 'Hey Cool - I think I'll become a Junkie today" and looks up P in the yellow pages....

Nah - some shit wad sees a chance to make some $$ and tells them - It aint so bad - all that crap the cops talk is bullshit man - hey, I tell ya what - just try some on me eh?

Christs sake - we live in a free society where you are free to make choices. BUT you have to take responsibility for the choices you make. The low life scum bags have created an alternate society that allows them to flourish and peddle their filty because they LIKE IT that way. They love the violence and the gangster life but they need victims - so they create em... If stick you head into the lions mouth - you will get bitten sooner or later.

[placidfemme]

I know 3 people that smoke P.

First guy was an ex-flatmate of mine... read the "P" story here:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...ad.php?t=14777

I've only seen him twice since the above incident. Still on the P and now his missus is pregnant with his kid... and apparantly she is also still on the P too... very sad...

The second guy I know who smokes P is my old boss... as far as I know he is also still on the P. I've never seen someone loose weight so quickly... and man are his mood swings really bad too...

The third guy I used to work with at my old job... addicted to P and addicted to pot and also "noddy juice" which is methadone (sp) or whatever that drug is that Heroine addicts use when they come off heroine...

Very bad shit... ruins lives and destroys familys...

About 4 years ago I had my bag, guitar and all my CD's stolen, the cops caught the guy (from his fingerprints) and turns out he was stealing to support his P addiction...

[Skyryder]

I don't know much about P other than what I read in the papers. There does however seem to be a consistant them that P is not only harmful but dangerouse for others that are in the vicinity. This may be the thing that sets P apart from other recreational drugs.

As an ex smoker I do find societys positon on addictive drugs to be hypocritical. On one hand we have many opposing opiat use on the grounds of addiction but at the same time there is no consensus in making nicotene unlawfull for exactly the same reason. Now I am the first person to admit that there are many other issues in regards to the two types of drugs. But it must be remembered that prior to the Harrison Narcotic Act of 1914 many of the opiates were in use with little apparent affects that drug use today creates on society.

There is one part of me that is sympathetic to removing drug usage from the crimes act, as against supplying, and another side that says ban the whole bloody lot, nicotene and alcohole included. I can see merits with both arguements and as a result I've been sitting on the the barb wire fence so long my arse has got callouses, that tends to make me a bit indifferent.

'Bout the best I can do on this.

Skyryder

[Brett]

P is one of the main parasites in our society. I personally had a guy at work try and run me over, and a few other attacks about 4 years ago. It got to the point where i carried a knife on me at all times and was always watching my back, after a couple of weeks, i thought to myself "what the hell am I doing" and just refused to come back to work till he left because I didn't want any part in his life.

My wife has worked as an intern doctor in a psychiatric ward and has seen some really insane effects of P ( I haven't talked too much with ehr about it, but the story posted by PF was of no surprise to her) and i can honestly say that it is not like any other drug out there (based on other people experiences, not my own)

P is a nasty nasty drug and we as a society need to be worried about it. I know a few people who have had violent home invasions by P fiends, and have been personally attacked 3 times by guys on P.
I heard an ex P useer talking, and he says the biggest fear he has with P now, is that it removes any sense of consciense that the person has, hence we had deranged mofo's cutting people with samurai swords.

P is pure evil, just look at the physical effects on the people.

[treefrog]

remember speed and p are not the same.i snorted speed off and on over the years.still a fairly normal bloke and same with others i know,this p seems to cause a lot more aggro,a bit like alcohol really.i honestly dont know any good stories on it.i had to sack one of my workers for it,started needing lots of time off to recover,getting aggro at me,work geeting slack.sad really.

[Hitcher]

sad really.

I was wondering whether a side-effect was failure to observe the accepted convention of putting a space after fullstops and starting a new sentence with a capital letter?

[soundbeltfarm]

Seen all the shit that goes on with this and all the shit the family goes through to sort it out .

My sister was an fucken top of the class sort of girl , had a primo job managing a well known restaurant.
everything going for her.
then she hitched up with a bloke that was, well a dealer.
she had no hope.
all her family live down here in taranaki and she is up in tauranga.
she went from a top bird to a total whacked out loser.
It took a lot of effort from all my family to help both her ans her boyfriend.
The biggest thing to remember for anything here is Not to give up on them.
It is so hard not to give up on them.
It took about 12 months for her to come right and a lot of determination
on everyones part.
But it was well worth it as we now have our sister back and she has a good job and her partner is now clean and one less dealer out there.
They are both doing really well and are looking at buying their first house together.
So this is one of those good endings .
Tragiclly for alot it is not so good.

SBF

[The Pastor]

I know people who have used. Im going to go out on a limb here though, because I think the media has has blown the ''P'' issue into something akin to the war on terror. P, speed, whatever has been with us for a long time (70's) when the first hell's angles came over from the states and sold the recipie as a franchise to the gangs etc. The most common misconception is that its some new thing, and its not. The people I know who have done the stuff are into all sorts of other things, and its just another thing on the ''to do'' list for the evening.

There are other things out there that can fuck you up just as badly. Alcohol, the socialially acceptable drug of choice for the masses has a brillant track record of problems that emmanate from its use.

The problem as I see it seems to stem from the fact that there are some out there that seem to be unable to stomach thier A class drugs. Sort of similar to problem gamblers and stupid 18 year olds on courtney place full of booze at 2am on a saturday night.

Not condoning it, just reckon its a bit too hyped up.

Yes it is hyped up, but only on the fact that "everyone who uses it develops physosis (sp)"

It is bad, but i'd say not everyone goes around killing people. Alot of people die from it though, and it IS very bad for ones health and lifestyle. But its no worse than any other hard drug.

Directly responsible for the death of my 36 year old brother-in-law.
Not comparable to Pot or Alcohol IMHO.

We suspect a few people at work have been using........

Their work starts to deteriorate, they stop turning up on time..... and eventually they get fired.

Nicotine is addictive enough, WTF would you go smoke P

(That stuff really fucks you up big time, irreversibly)

Yeah I agree with both of you there.

They said that of dope in the 50's. It's not true of speed either.

Absolute horse shit that it's as addictive as heroin.

If heroin was readily available in NZ and as cheap as some european countries then we'd see the effects of a REAL drug problem.

The media/government/cops have blown the P "epidemic" out of all proportion.

Fuck, half the kids I went to school with were into speed at the weekends and still lead normal lifes but the physical effects of heroin addiction are disturbingly visible.

The main flaw in your argument(s) is that speed and P are the same drug tecnically, P has alot more meth than speed, P stands for pure meth, speed has a small ammount of P in it so to speak. 1gram of P does not = 1 gram of speed.

P is constantly changing in its makeup, Every manufacturer adds differnt stuff in it diblertaly to make it differnt than the competitions and make it more addictive. Also P from differnt regions are made from differnt recipies, there are lots of ways to cook up a batch of P and differnt countries use differnt local ingrediants etc etc.

At the end of the day, theres no way of telling whats in the P your taking and so unless you make it your self i'd stay well clear of it. Actually if i made P myself I would still stay well clear of it, mix it into soft serve and go get a primary school hooked on it.......... (good to get them started young as repeat customers make for good bussieness)


Of cource all this is just pulled out of my brain from vairous self intrest studys i've read/watched Im not garenteeing any accuracy at all.

P.s the recipes in 'the cookbook' are false (as with everything in it), they are easy to find on the net though.


EDIT:

I don't use or know anyone personally who uses. And the posts refering to useing the drug are sarcasm and satire, Don't use drugs kids.

[lb99]

why oh why would you want to take a drug to keep you awake for days on end?, all you need is young kids for that. No wonder people flip out, FFS

I do know a couple of so called "recreational" weekend smokers, who reckon it can be "bad" if you go hard for too long, but they seem to be holding it togeather

Heres a problem, what would happen in the few weeks after an abrupt cessation of the supply of pee?

the answer is chaos, of course, has anyone got a bunker I can hide in?


how about a reality show "P Island" put em all on an island, with no weapons and take away the drugs......

[Whynot]

how about a reality show "P Island" put em all on an island, with no weapons and take away the drugs......

maybe leave one weapon .... hidden somewhere and have a treasure map showing where it is .... and group the addicts into two teams and have them vote each other off the island after various challanges.

or not ...

[pervert]

Seriously,last week some current affairs program had some retards using the latest legal hallucinogen on the market

The 'latetst legal hallucinogen' thats been easily available over the counter for over 6 years here. Way to get your facts right! Hahaha.

[_Gina_]

SOUNDS LIKE ME ON A MONDAY MORNING.

I WAS TELLING MY MATE A GOOD JOKE , IT WENT LIKE THIS , WHAT DO YOU GIVE A MAN FOR CHRISTMAS WHO HAS EVERYTHING ? GIVE HIM P AND SOON HE'LL HAVE NOTHING , SADLY IT CAME TRUE FOR HIM

OR -

Why was the P addict so happy December the 1st?

Because there was only one more sleep 'till Xmas.....


P is not the same as Heroin or Alcohol or Dope or in my opinion.

I think that alot of people who take it pretty much convince themselves that, other than not being able to sleep when they want to, it's a good drug because they feel creative, positive and productive while on it without feeling "out of it"....

This feeling obviously only lasts until you are awake for days on end and then it obviously all can turn to shit pretty fast.

I know of people who use daily that have lost their family, all the money they can get their hands on and are shadows of their former selves by using P. The people I speak of are addictive personality types (smoking, drinking, gambling etc) and everything is taken to the extreme.

I also know of people who use every weekend and they don't have any spare money, the credit card takes a hammering constantly and they pretty much under perform at work (comedown Tuesday anyone???) they are aware they need to lay off it, but don't, generally because of the social circle they are keeping and to stop would mean a change in friends, a complete change of lifestyle type thing.

I know of people who have become the above and have stopped before it's turned to crap. Some can never touch the stuff again and some can have the occassional "puff" without reverting.

I think my point here is: Not all people who use this drug in whichever way, are the "one touch and your fucked" people that the media, govt and police would have you believe happens to everyone who tries P.

Good luck with the family situation MrPeanut.

G

[SPman]

One of my sisters is a long term heroin addict. - been through the methadone program - has been a speed freak - smokes up large, Had Hep.C,.. etc, etc. All the usual junkie trail to hell. She's basically f**ked!

Even she won't touch P - she reckons it's worse than H (if thats possible)!

[Badcat]

i've seen friends fall to both heroin and meth (P).
personally, the meth users were worse.
Heroin users just steal and lie.
Meth users do all that, and want to fuck with you too.
If they are family, do EVERYTHING you can to remove them from the social circle that meth users move in.
If they aren't family, cut them out of your life.
Just my .02.

ken