'Smacking ban' to be passed?

**WINJA** · 21st November 2006, 18:25

This Is Indeed Sad News , Im Gonna Give My Kid A Few Bashes B4 The Bill Is Passed Preemting All The Bad Shit Hes Gonna Do For 18 Years , Conversly I Can Save It All Up For Holiday Time And When We Go To Fiji Ill Give Hime One Years Worth Of Bashings Over A 2 Week Period , Holidays Gonna Suck For Him

**Indiana_Jones** · 21st November 2006, 18:34

That's right Peter, and if your kids give you any lip you can beat them with a sack of sweet Velency Oranges. They won't leave a bruise and it'll let 'em know who's boss.

-Indy

**JimO** · 21st November 2006, 20:06

stopping smacking isnt going to stop the retards from bashing their kids to death

**Grahameeboy** · 21st November 2006, 20:09

I am just worried how Dover feels about the news......

**Winston001** · 21st November 2006, 20:57

The point of changing the law is to shift social attitudes. At present some people think it is fine to bash their kids - the case where a vacuum cleaner cord was used (referred to above) and the parent acquitted is a good example.

Children die weekly in NZ at the hands of those who are supposed to love and care for them.

The new law will be ignored by some but over time attitudes will change.

Look at homosexual law reform and all the hysterical cries against that. It happened anyway. The sky didn't fall in and slowly social attitudes shifted.

**oldrider** · 21st November 2006, 21:27

Originally Posted by The_Dover

I dunno, I don't recall ever getting a hiding as a kid but there were times when I deserved it.

In fact if my old man could see me now sometime I reckon he's give it a go.

BUT, this is going to do absolutely fuck all in the fight against abuse and the result is that we're gonna see more and more disgusting little oiks walking the streets because they rule the roost at home and have no respect for authority.

Fuck, I'm 27 and I walk around going "Young people these days"

That's what is sad.

Hey if your old man wants a stand in tell him I will volunteer to do the whacking for him just as long as he gets the retribution not me.(lol) (I bruise to easy)
There is nothing wrong with the young people of today, they are every bit as good (or even better) as them in the "good ole days".
The percentage of fuckwits among them seems bigger because there are more of them and the media has much more effect today than it did in the good ole days.
I dislike hearing the older generation berating the young today as if they themselves were better examples of proper behaviour and manners compared to kids today.
What bullshit the cheeky buggers were just the same as the kids today and I was there to witness a lot of it.
Life is harder for the kids today too but they handle it pretty well, all things considered. (In my opinion anyway).
27! shit I am 40yrs older than you, better disregard the offer of assistance to your father, he might have to assist me!

Cheers John.

**Laava** · 21st November 2006, 21:44

This legislation is being pushed thru by the people that need the smacking most!

**bobsmith** · 22nd November 2006, 07:16

Originally Posted by Winston001

The point of changing the law is to shift social attitudes. At present some people think it is fine to bash their kids - the case where a vacuum cleaner cord was used (referred to above) and the parent acquitted is a good example.

Children die weekly in NZ at the hands of those who are supposed to love and care for them.

The new law will be ignored by some but over time attitudes will change.

Look at homosexual law reform and all the hysterical cries against that. It happened anyway. The sky didn't fall in and slowly social attitudes shifted.

Oh... okay... so the government is trying to change how people think.... right... just like they're trying to make people think that being completly uneducated unintelligent idiots are okay with the NCEA system so over time people will forget what intelligence and civilised society is all about...

**Indiana_Jones** · 22nd November 2006, 07:19

Originally Posted by bobsmith

Oh... okay... so the government is trying to change how people think.... right... just like they're trying to make people think that being completly uneducated unintelligent idiots are okay with the NCEA system so over time people will forget what intelligence and civilised society is all about...

This labour govt no. 1 hobby is social engineering, well after stealing your money

-Indy

**ghost** · 22nd November 2006, 07:36

Originally Posted by Winston001

The point of changing the law is to shift social attitudes. At present some people think it is fine to bash their kids - the case where a vacuum cleaner cord was used (referred to above) and the parent acquitted is a good example.

Children die weekly in NZ at the hands of those who are supposed to love and care for them.

The new law will be ignored by some but over time attitudes will change.

Look at homosexual law reform and all the hysterical cries against that. It happened anyway. The sky didn't fall in and slowly social attitudes shifted.

Its only a good example of the court system reaching the wrong conclusion. Changing another law to try to cover the incompetence of jury's or judges cant and wont stop this.

Kids die at the hands of fuckwits who treat them as a cash cow for welfare or retards so self absorbed in themselves they cant care about anything else.

To a "normal" person there is a huge difference between a smack and beating a child. this law will make criminals out of "normal" people and do nothing to resolve the arsewipes who beat children.

As its the proposed law stands, it makes no sense and is far to ambiguous and should be scrapped. Either repel the current law or let it stand and start procecuting people properly.

**Big Dave** · 22nd November 2006, 10:20

If I got a 2 year old that wants to stick a fork in the power point I'm smacking it. End of story. Sue me.

**outlawtorn** · 22nd November 2006, 13:54

Originally Posted by Big Dave

If I got a 2 year old that wants to stick a fork in the power point I'm smacking it. End of story. Sue me.

I'm with you on this one......

**Winston001** · 22nd November 2006, 14:00

Originally Posted by Winston001

Lets be clear about Section 59 of the Crimes Act. The general law is that any touching or force applied to another person without their consent is assault - except for S.59.

So if you clout your neighbour's child around the ear for being a cheeky little prick, that is assault.

But Section 59 at present provides an exception for parents. If the neighbour hits his child or the same reason, he'd have nothing to fear because he is exercising reasonable force in discipline.

Why is that? Both actions are clearly an assault.

Interesting. Nobody has answered or resolved this glaring inconsistency.