Bowling for Columbine

[What?]

If you've not seen Michael Moores movie, it is on TV1 tomorrow night, and I think well worth the watch.
Thinking about the conclusion drawn, it's bloody scary if you compare NZ TV news to America's. Seems to be a lot of parallels which might explain things here, like Aramoana...

[jrandom]

Thinking about the conclusion drawn

What conclusion?

I know the film is presented as anti-gun, but... I didn't think that he hit any particularly coherent notes.

The only conclusion I came to is that all the friggin' merkins, including Mr Moore, are friggin' nuts.

[Paul in NZ]

YES YES!

Now this is true and others on this list can back me up here....

On the MGNOC (Moto Guzzi wierdness-don't ask) list a while back there was a serious discussion on the best hand gun to carry while riding..

This graduated into a discussion about riding jackets and tank bags that provided the easiest access to your bazooka of choice....



Holy COW!

They were serious and rather proud of it all and could not see anything odd about it?

Oh well.......

Paul N

Don't pass me you bastards or I'll....

[scumdog]

I've seen the movie and it was one of the biggest wastes of money since I bought the ash-tray for my Sporty.

It is a nothing film that paints a slanted picture of gun ownership in the USA and did nothing for gun safety but did a lot for making Moores pockets a lot fuller, just be thankful he doesn't want to make a movie about motorbikes

[MikeL]

I've seen the movie and it was one of the biggest wastes of money since I bought the ash-tray for my Sporty.

You've obviously realized that smokers are just pawns manipulated by the American tobacco industry. Now use the same logic to analyse the gun lobby...

Despite the exaggeration and (I admit) the manipulation in the movie, surely it must be obvious that America has a real problem with guns...

[jrandom]

surely it must be obvious that America has a real problem with guns...

Well, I think it's obvious that America has a real problem with Americans...

[Jackrat]

Seen it,read all the discussions on different sites.
Most of it's anti gun BS that's about as one eyed and realistic as the American gun lobby.Nothing happening there is even remotely like our situation.Aramoana was more a result of the break down of our mental health system and slack police veting at the time.All three of our major incidents have involved known nutters that were being ignored by mental health and the police.In Aramoana if the Police had listened to what they were already being told it would never have happened.
The same happend in Australia where a known nutter that was already suspected of murder was given a gun permit by some stupid local plod.
The Americans on the other hand.......Well their them ain't they :spudwhat:

[Mongoose]

You've obviously realized that smokers are just pawns manipulated by the American tobacco industry. Now use the same logic to analyse the gun lobby...

What, the 'Merican Anti Gun Lobby and Ash in NZ have joined forces?

[SpankMe]

All three of our major incidents...

There's actually been four with six or more dead.

[k14]

I just see that movie as some good entertainment. Although some bits of it are pretty scary, weather or not they are true or not.

Like that guy that sleeps with the .44 Magnum under his pillow, he goes into his room and shows Moore and then puts it in his mouth. Then he says "There are some real psychos out there," that is the best line ever. I would hate to see the "psychos" he talks about.

[Hoon]

I thought it was pretty good...showed just how screwed up and paranoid the Yanks can be. I mean 15,000 or whatever a year in the US dying from gun shot wounds surely means something must be wrong (whether it be guns, culture or greed).

[Mongoose]

I thought it was pretty good...showed just how screwed up and paranoid the Yanks can be. I mean 15,000 or whatever a year in the US dying from gun shot wounds surely means something must be wrong (whether it be guns, culture or greed).

15000, out of how many quadzillion yanks is that? Perhaps there are other countries just as bad/good as the 'Mericans but they dont have the population to show such as figure as 15000?

[FROSTY:Me]

I agree with previous posts. If you wanna start an argument with a Yank talk to em about banning all hand guns and automatic weapons for civillian use.
Holey cow will you get some arguments.

[Jackrat]

There's actually been four with six or more dead.

Ah yes,I forgot about Mr Schlaepfer and he was jusst up the road from me at the time.Over all I think our gun laws are pretty realistic apart from some things being banned because they LOOK scary.
Frosty,I actualy did comment on the Yanks situation in my usual diplomatic way.Got banned from the site
As I had it pointed out to me in no uncertain terms, it's in their bill of rights and that's the end of discussion.

[Skyryder]

One of the first forums I ever posted on was one of the American fishing forums. They also had a Backlash forum where American politics could be discussed. Backlash is a fishing term and I entered by mistake. This was a few hours after the Columbine shooting and after reading the various posts on this I posted what I thought was an innocuous thread; something about unsatisfactory behaviour (Columbine shooting) for a civilised society. The response I received was nothing short of vitriolic. I had a bit of fun with these bozo’s and then moved on to the militia forums. Might have something to do why on occasions I get very aggressive. Believe me guys if you want to know how these guys think get on to some of the milititia forums but be warned the gun lobby takes no prisoners.
The gun lobby does not trust the Federal Government or for that matter anyone else who opposes their views.

Bowling for Columbine does have a message. Moore makes a comparison betrween America and Canada. Moore’s message is that the American media accentuate the fears of white middle class Americans against American blacks. I thought that was pretty obvious.

If anyone wants to see how the gun lobby reacts to an alternative view then go to

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39d53b0e0e22.htm It’s a bit lengthy but comparatively mild to some that I’ve come across

Skyryder

Ps

The Guzzi thread was no surprise for reasons above.

Just spotted this to give an idea of their thinking


More anti-gun garbage. However as the good soldiers we are in this battle, it is good to know what is happening in the camp of the other guy. I am sure this magazine goes to literally hundreds if not thousands and tens of thousands of educators. They are the ones forming the minds of today's youth. One more reason why we home school. I don't want idiots like this spreading this type of garbage into or towards my kids.