Video claims to make mockery of security chain standards

**Laava** · 3rd December 2006, 14:19

I have a motion sensor activated Billy Big Mouth Bass on the wall by my bike. Lets see 'em get past THAT annoying piece of crap!

**Zanx** · 10th December 2006, 12:43

Hello, it's me

Couldn't let you guys fall into the trap of thinking that cable locks are good. I had a scooter stolen, I had a Kryptonite Barbed Wire or something. Basically what I saw was one crimp on the cable, then another successful crop on the pin that connects the wire to the locking mechanism. This is ALWAYS the weak point in cable locks, the cable has to come to a locking point somwhere and that is where they croppers end up. Those of you who have had your bikes saved by cable locks have been lucky, your thieves were stupid

I hope you Kiwis never have the level of bike theft and police/politician indifference to bike theft that we have, but if you do, the MINIMUM you need is a 16mm chain and high quality padlock (not from a bike shop) and a good ground anchor.

**sAsLEX** · 10th December 2006, 13:11

Originally Posted by Zanx

I hope you Kiwis never have the level of bike theft and police/politician indifference to bike theft that we have, but if you do, the MINIMUM you need is a 16mm chain and high quality padlock (not from a bike shop) and a good ground anchor.

We use "garages" alot here. I know alot in the UK dont which leads to a higher theft rate.

I suggest the use of a big dog as well.

**Zanx** · 10th December 2006, 13:43

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

We use "garages" alot here. I know alot in the UK dont which leads to a higher theft rate.

I suggest the use of a big dog as well.

Difficult to compare the two countries really, it's a totally different demographic.

We also have good transport links with primitive EU countries that are happy to launder stolen bikes.

**Motu** · 10th December 2006, 15:46

Originally Posted by LAV 750

Lets see 'em get past THAT

Oh boy - that's the biggest mistake you've ever made!

**Disco Dan** · 10th December 2006, 15:59

Security? bah!

Fold in mirrors, open front door... ride through door. Park next to my bed.. arm alarm. Bliss...

The trouble with most kiwi garages.. is that people lock their bikes up inside their garage thinking it will be safe... well the little buggers break into you garage, (easy if its remote opening type) and...

"hey, wow... look at all these tools! woah... I'll just plug the grinder in... yeeeeoooowwwwip... done..."

It doesnt take much to nip down to the shop and buy a replacement remote... then drive down the road pressing the button.. a door will open soon enough!!

Either park you car in front of the garage, or put bolt locks into the concrete...

Garages are soooo insecure...

**sAsLEX** · 10th December 2006, 16:26

Originally Posted by Disco Dan

It doesnt take much to nip down to the shop and buy a replacement remote... then drive down the road pressing the button.. a door will open soon enough!!

Most have a code in them with a few hundred permutations so you would be very lucky to accidentally open anothers door.

**Disco Dan** · 10th December 2006, 16:28

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

Most have a code in them with a few hundred permutations so you would be very lucky to accidentally open anothers door.

but ya open the back of them... and thers about 6 little on/off switches to code them... yeah theres heaps of combinations.. but heck.. still posible??

**sunhuntin** · 10th December 2006, 19:03

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

Most have a code in them with a few hundred permutations so you would be very lucky to accidentally open anothers door.

weve come home to ours open...so we switch off at the wall now.
amazing where a bike can be safe.
when i stayed in dunedin, i stayed about 2 blocks from the main center, the bike was parked out on the street [all bags removed of course] and i worried all night. she was fine!
only place i stayed on my south island trip where the bike wasnt left to the weather was picton [she had a garage!]
only security for all my bikes so far is a steering lock.

**DougB** · 10th December 2006, 23:11

I am a retired locksmith and can open most locks in a few minutes as can proffesional crims. I am sure that the only way to secure a house or bike at home is to have a device that activates a siren so intense that humans cannot bare it. The pain inflicted on the ear from one of these devices is so intense that crims in the USA have been known to dive through plate glass windows to get away from them. All the rational thought processes are stifled by the need to get away from the pain source. However they are illegal in NZ as they might damage the theiving shits hearing.
Perhaps we have an electronics expert here who could??????.

**Zanx** · 11th December 2006, 01:48

Originally Posted by DougB

I am a retired locksmith and can open most locks in a few minutes as can proffesional crims. I am sure that the only way to secure a house or bike at home is to have a device that activates a siren so intense that humans cannot bare it. The pain inflicted on the ear from one of these devices is so intense that crims in the USA have been known to dive through plate glass windows to get away from them. All the rational thought processes are stifled by the need to get away from the pain source. However they are illegal in NZ as they might damage the theiving shits hearing.
Perhaps we have an electronics expert here who could??????.

May I ask what padlock you found most challenging? I know the high end Squire stuff is good and also the high end CISA (bith have muchroom pins IIRC) but can you give any advice (without giving too much away) on how to chose a decent padlock?

**35tickets** · 11th December 2006, 09:13

Cheers for the vid Bob, was thinking about getting a chain for years but now not so sure that 1 chain will do. In saying that agree with others here that it deterents that we need to slow the thieving scum down. Every little bit helps, be it chains, disc locks, alarmed garages etc.

**sAsLEX** · 11th December 2006, 09:39

Originally Posted by DougB

I am a retired locksmith and can open most locks in a few minutes as can proffesional crims. I am sure that the only way to secure a house or bike at home is to have a device that activates a siren so intense that humans cannot bare it. The pain inflicted on the ear from one of these devices is so intense that crims in the USA have been known to dive through plate glass windows to get away from them. All the rational thought processes are stifled by the need to get away from the pain source.

However they are illegal in NZ as they might damage the theiving shits hearing.
Perhaps we have an electronics expert here who could??????.

What about the newer high security padlocks that have the multifaceted keys rather than the simple kind?

And under what law?