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    How to brake quickly and safely

    Looking for some advice on braking:

    1) was told by a friend of mine to imagine your "landing an aeroplane". Begin loading the back then just after load up the front, with your bike lowering onto suspension at an angle - hence the landing part!

    2) I have no idea how hard to apply rear brake before it will lock on me, i imagine, if engine braking at the same time that would affect this? but again unsure how.

    3) Had accident in first week of riding, when i locked the rear and got thrown off - so naturally lacking confidence in this area!

    4)Emergency stops - engine brake if time??? What is the best way to go about this? What should you do if you lock a wheel? give throttle, or put out feet?

    Will be attending rider training and hopefully, picking "micro's" brain on the mentor session!

    Any help would be much appreciated, and im sure we would all benifit from good braking technique!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittyhawk View Post
    Just Crash!!! Mwwhaahaahaa
    gee.. thanks

    hehe, will practice my braking on your bike then??
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    It's simple...

    Hold on the front brake, rev the bike and drop the clutch still hold the brake though watch the smoke surround you.....

    Front Brakes = 2/3rds of braking power
    Rear Brakes = 1/3rd braking power.

    Apply the front first, and just pulse the rear, if it locks up let it go as traction = grip again. (thats my way of stopping and it works ok)

    If the rear locks while you hold the foot brake on, just let it off and then tap it on again. That way you have more control for the slide.

    Dont do a stoppie for an emergency stop - might scratch ya bike.

    Also depends on the bike, how senstive the brakes are, tires, and experience.

    Everyone has a different style of braking, so it's just trail and error.
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    Hi.. emergency braking..

    The objective is to stop as quickly & safely as possible.. using BOTH brakes & without locking the wheels, falling or stalling.


    FRONT brake gives you about 75% of your braking power
    REAR brake gives you about 25% of your braking power!!!!!


    The order of application is: 1)Throttle off 2)front brake (squeeze) 3)clutch 4)rear brake 5) down gears

    Control is lost as soon as wheel STOPS rolling.. so if you lock the wheel - release the brake & re-apply progressively.


    One of the MOST important things is: to look UP & FORWARDS.. if you look down.. you will go down!!! (where ever you LOOK.. is where you will go!)

    The Technique.

    1) keep eyes UP on the horizon
    2) keep bike upright & controlled
    3) close the throttle
    4) Apply FRONT brake progressively - squeeze
    5) clutch in
    6) Apply the rear brake progressively (to about half way, then forget about it)
    7) Continue to focus & apply the front brake progressively until bike is completely stationary
    8) down change through the gears just before coming to a holt (tap tap tap tap.. no throttle revs!)
    9) stop in first gear, left foot down..
    10) check mirrors & be ready to escape from possible dangers


    Find a large carpark that is very quiet.. high school etc.. & PRACTICE your emergency stopping. Start of trying it at a very slow speed.. just to get used to the order you need to do things in. Then as you get more confident.. SLOWLY!!!! increase your speed!! get used to doing it again.. before you SLOWLY increase your speed again.. & keep going like that until you feel confident. PRACTICE where ever & when ever you can!


    Check out www.roadsafe.co.nz

    Hope this helps you... Take care out there!!

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    You guys are overestimating the rear brake's effectiveness hugely.

    The balance is more like 90% Front, 10% rear for sporty motormacycles.

    Most other road going motormacycles would be in the 80% Front, 20% rear ratio.

    The most important thing to remember is that as you brake harder at the front, there is less and less weight on the rear wheel. As your front suspension compresses it un-weights the rear making the rear brake less and less effective the harder you apply the front brakes. You have to practice modulating brake pressure front and rear, as the most effective emergency stops use both brakes initially and then more front and less rear, until the bias is 100% front and no rear.

    Make sure you at least think about how you would cope with heavy braking mid-corner. Stand the bike up, then brake. Leaned over your tyres have already used up a considerable amount of their traction budget and heavy braking while cranked over will cause an almost inevitable lowside.

    I've participated in some very fun braking demos and it always amuses me how sick people look when you stop from 50 km/hr with the front brake only in a very short space, and just how friggin long it stops to take on the rear alone.

    Cruisers because of their weight distribution and low centre of mass would be in the 60% front, 40% rear range.

    As everyone else has said, practice, practice, practice.

    I still get caught out though. Especially if I exceed my maximum tasks per second limit.
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    Like Jim2 says - you will easily lock the rear if your braking hard on the front. I use the rear for stabilising the back end more than braking, except at lower speeds or filtering.
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    As per Jim instructions, practice, practice, paractice. The more you do things the more confident you become; and riding really is a confidence game.

    If you can find yourself a nice long straight stretch of tarmac and practice your stops gradually building up speed. In a few weeks you'll be wondering what all the fuss was about (or aboat if you're Canadian).

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    Progressively apply the front brake, ie pull the lever gently at first before using more force. If you just grab a handful you will lock the front.

    Tried putting my legs out when I locked the front a couple of months ago. They just folded up under me and the bike resulting in a knee injury, no other damage to me or bike.

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    got to practice my braking skill while lane splitting on northwestern this afternoon.. ..some 'homey g' boy racer thought hed be smart and try and block my path... braked, swerved and elbowed his mirror as i went past... ass.

    cheers for all the great advice!!

    now to figure out why my front disc is sqeeking now was pretty worn when i picked it up from red baron?? but i ssumed they wouldnt sell me a bike with a badly worn disc.. will get it checked out just in case!
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    I was told by a Police Instructor in UK that you should apply rear immediately before applying front as this settles suspension for braking.......I have always done this an it make a difference as it settles the front end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyGSXF View Post
    The objective is to stop as quickly & safely as possible.. using BOTH brakes & without locking the wheels, falling or stalling. Hope this helps you... Take care out there!!

    Jen

    I am not sure that pulling in clutch so soon is correct as engine braking is lost....should pull clutch in at last moment and if you stall not a major........as with the clutch pulled in the bike is effectively coasting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grahameeboy View Post
    I am not sure that pulling in clutch so soon is correct as engine braking is lost....should pull clutch in at last moment and if you stall not a major........as with the clutch pulled in the bike is effectively coasting.
    I did a motorcycle training weekend a month ago with Roadsafe, & that is their emergency braking procedure. I did another course with them a year ago, & it was the same procedure back then. I am also booked into do their advanced course next weekend.. & it will be the same then.

    You haven't got time to use 'engine braking' in an emergency stop anyway.. it's about stopping as FAST as possible, without locking it up. or losing it.. so you won't be 'using' the gears to stop you, like you do in a normal slowing down situation. Emergency stopping is about using the brakes.. & using them correctly. Also.. if you have stopped for an emergency.. you need to be stopped in first gear, with the engine running, clutch in, checking the mirrors.. READY for a quick getaway, should any trouble be coming up behind you.. like another vehicle. IF you have stalled.. you are not ready to MOVE out of harms way.. FAST.. if required!!
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    Yeah I was taught not to pull in clutch till last minute, I was told it helps to stop the rear from locking up. If you clutched in from your emergency stop you wouldn't be in first gear anyway - unless you've worked you way down through the box, though thats not likely if its an emergency. You will probably be in a higher gear.
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    Was reading Superbike this week, had a good wee article on how come Rossi can ride fast? To do with mental stuff, think "I'm not going to hit this car, I'm going to brake, turn to the left, throttle, kick mirror etc", "I'll pass him at Paddock Hill," "I'll just keep leaning, even though this corner is a lot sharper than I thought..."

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