NO THEY DIDN'T.
But i just hate the yanks.
NO THEY DIDN'T.
But i just hate the yanks.
three can keep a secret,if two of them are dead.
{Ben Franklin}
Maybe not on the same scale but locally 900 American Troops were killed of of the Devon coast in a war-time series of disasters that included being killed by "friendly fire from both each other and the british navy during exercises with live ammo and being bush-whacked by german E-boats on another occaission.All of this was covered up until a local guy tried to buy a tank he found in just off the coast from the U.S. government.Hundreds of locals knew about it,thousands of troops took part in the exercise as well as several Royal naval vessels,Eisenhower was even an eye-witness to one of the friendly fire incidents.All got brought to light mainly by chance by this guy as it was covered-up at the time and he`s been able to tell families where their loved ones ended up.Now it`s out in the open there are memorials by the tank at slapton Sands in Devon but the question is how many times was that sort of thing repeated in other places?Thousands of people knew what happened and no-one blabbed for 40-odd years until it became obvious that the truth was going to come out anyway,the civilians were threatened with prison if they said a word.Why would they fake the Moon landing?Dont forget the "space race" of that era,massive propaganda coup plus it was partly a pissing contest between the U.S. and Russia,no doubt the underlying message also given the Cold War was "hey look where we can stick a missile base if we want to".Remember only recently T.V. pictures of U.S. Marines in action in Afghanistan which the Pentagon had to admit were faked on a film set,and the Sky T.V. reporter sacked for a report he totally fabricated from one of the Brit navy vessels at the start of the Iraq war?Millions of Brits,me included,saw that report and believed it,the truth only came out weeks afterwards.Originally Posted by El Dopa
Every claim I've seen about the landing not happening is (so far) easily explanable. Two shadows? No problem: one is from direct sunlight, one is from the sunlight reflecting off the Earth. Moon crater mock-ups? Practice areas...
Please remember that we're talking about a Nation that can't keep secrets, people. Their President can't get a blowjob without the whole world knowing, a situation invovling two people. A conspiracy of this size would involve thousands of people - why don't we have any direct witnesses?
"Partly a pissing contest"? No, it was almost entirely a pissing contest.Originally Posted by moko
The Murkns were more than a bit pissed off that the Soviets had so many 'firsts', and the race to become first on the Moon was such a big one that they were prepared to spend an enormous amount of money and resources to achieve it.
... and that's what I think.
Or summat.
Or maybe not...
Dunno really....![]()
One point conspiracy theorists seem to overlook when promulgating theories about moon landings, area 51, Roswell, Kennedy assassinations, etc, is that the good ole US of A has a proven track record in being unable to keep anything big secret for very long. The "truth" always finds them out and embarrasses their leaders at the most inopportune moments.
Even if the moon landings were fake, their were thousands of people who were party to the lie. The logistics involved in keeping them all mum for 35 years beggars belief.
"Standing on your mother's corpse you told me that you'd wait forever." [Bryan Adams: Summer of 69]
Moko, I understand the "Sands of Devon" was the 'cover up' that was never a cover up.
Taken from: DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY -- NAVAL HISTORICAL CENTER
To keep the Germans from possibly learning about the impending Normandy Invasion, casualty information on Exercise TIGER was not released until after the invasion. On August 5, 1944, Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Force released statistics on the casualties associated with the Normandy Invasion, which included information about the German E-Boat attack on April 28. This information was also published in the August 7 issue of The Stars and Stripes, the daily newspaper of the U. S. Armed Forces in the European Theater. The Textual Reference Branch, National Archives and Records Administration, 8601 Adelphi Road, College Park, MD 20740-6001, holds the originals of both these sources. Over the years, details on the training exercises and the resulting losses have appeared in such published sources as Samuel Eliot Morison's The Invasion of France and Germany, 1944-1945 (1957), volume XI of his 15-volume History of United States Naval Operations in World War II, and Roland Rupenthal's Logistical Support of the Armies (1953) and Gordon Harrison's Cross-Channel Attack, which are both part of the multi-volume series United States Army in World War
Thus, since August 1944, information about the training exercise also commonly called Operation TIGER has been available to the public. The naval records relating to Operation TIGER, which are declassified, were transferred to the Modern Military Records Branch, Naitonal Archives and Records Admiistration, 8601 Adelphi Road, College Park, MD 20740-6001. Before transfer, the Operational Archives Branch had placed all the naval action reports from this exercise on microfilm reel, NRS-601. To order a duplicate film for the cost indicated on the fee schedule, please complete the duplication order form and send it with a check or money order made payable to the Department of the Navy, to the Operational Archives Branch, Naval Historical Center, 805 Kidder Breese SE, Washington Navy Yard, DC 20374-5060.
Other Resources:
Greene, Ralph C. and Oliver E. Allen, "What Happened Off Devon," American Heritage 36, no. 2 (Feb./Mar 1985): 2635.
MacDonald, Charles B. "Slapton Sands: The 'Cover-Up' That Never Was," Army 38, no. 6 (Jun. 1988): 64-67.
The reason it was suppressed was it's proximity to D-Day.Originally Posted by Drunken Monkey
Any release of information would have raised questions about what they were training for. Additionally, suppression of bad info. in wartime was not uncommon, the full story of many Allied set-backs and defeats were down-played and censored at the time.
I saw Elvis at Pak n Save yesterday
I was just picking up some peanut butter and bannas...oh,and some olive oil,got to look after the old weight y'now,no more goose grease for me.Originally Posted by greenhorn
In and out of jobs, running free
Waging war with society
Hasselblad is not a 35mm, its a medium (645) format camera. They come with all manner of interchangeable viewfinders, and that doesn't take into account Hasselblad may have built some special items just for the lunar expeditionOriginally Posted by marty
it's not a bad thing till you throw a KLR into the mix.
those cheap ass bitches can do anything with ductape.
(PostalDave on ADVrider)
OK i have to come clean, my conscience is bothering me...
I did not see Elvis i made it up.
Seriously though, i reckon everyone should watch a "documentary" that was done a few years back hosted by Patrick Duffy. It was all about Elvis still being alive. They basically built a whole hour around a miniscule portion of dubious "evidence" and a fried banana and peanut butter sized dose of conjecture.
I watched it more out of amazement that they could actually do it and at the end of it have people convinced that Elvis was still alive.
Now if they can do that with a subject like Elvis is still alive! i can imagine the proffesional job they can do on a subject of did we go to the moon. I guess my point is never ever ever form an opinion solely on a tv "documentary".
Elvis was great, i reckon Buddy Holly could have been even better if he didnt die in that plane crash.
I think I know where you got your info from Oscar(Naval Historical Center web-site?),just had a flip through Google and found the stuff you quoted.I hadn`t seen that before but only finished Ken Smalls book a couple of weeks ago,he tells of a lot of American families who had no idea where their loved ones had been killed let alone buried,dosn`t tie in with the sources you`ve quoted but that`s not to say they`re wrong,actually a good read if you can lay your hands on a copy.Ken Small has met the families of loads of these men over the years and virtually calls the old dear who claimed to "know all" a liar in his book,the Historical Center Site does not make this clear,rather unfairly I`d have said as it seems to me to imply that he believed her.Also the reaction of the Farmer to the media is understandable if you read the book,assuming they found the right guy,if so that would go against what Small says yet again as either he or the Farmer would have to have told them,read the book and neither is likely.Small met literally hundreds of relatives of the deceased who,official publications or not,knew nothing of the incident.Small had a friend who was actually there,coincidentally a personal friend of friends.This guy,Manny Ruben,is quoted extensively in the book,he spoke of a cover-up,not only to Small but to friends of mine who as a retired Baseball coach in the states he was helping get kid`s Baseball off the ground in Plymouth.Sadly i never met Manny but he was much loved and respected by those that knew him,he told people the Slapton story once and once only,I believe Ken Small was the only one he`d gone into it regularly with for the purposes of the book.Slapton Sands is a real beauty spot,known to a couple of ex-pat KB`ers,there`s the sea on one side of the road and a freshwater lake and wildlife reserve the other,the Tank and memorials are all the more poignient for being in such a calm and beautiful spot.It`s a favourite with local fishermen and also a brilliant ride out from Plymouth.Famous author Leslie Thomas was local to the area and wrote a fictional account of the area and the incident called "The Magic Army".
The programme had this guy from Hasselblad who was in charge of the camea photography etc and he said that the Astronaughts could not see the view finder with the suits on. This was guy who was involved with Nasa.Originally Posted by pete376403
Skyryder
Free Scott Watson.
My last word on the matter, unless anyone wants to try to knock down these eminently sensible and very believable explanations.
http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/
Maybe they didn't fly to the moon.....they walked :spudbooge![]()
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