Gun Raids - Big Brother is here

[Lias]

I've never been much of a conspiracy theorist but is anyone else here feeling like all those NWO Police state big brother conspiracies are starting to come true with all these gun raids?

This isnt the police targeting gangs or criminals, this is the police targeting licensed dealers and collectors who may have been in the posession of a few unregistered firearms. Everyone should have the right to posess firearms without them being registered with the police, anything less is a police state.

It truly scares me that one day the only people who will have guns will be the gangs and the government, and then we'll all be fucked.

PS: If your pro gun control don't even bother posting here, this thread is for people who believe in the right to bear arms.

[Dooly]

You just reminded me.
All my rifles are lying in the bottom of the wardrobe. Have'nt put them away after our move and sort out yet.
Only 2 of my guns are on record with the police I guess after buying from a shop.
The Police said not to worry about it when you buy private, (notifying them).

[bistard]

I have heard on the radio,that the Police were looking at destroying some
of the impounded guns,now reading between the lines,some of the guns are quite rare or collectable,whats up with that??
Dont get me wrong I dont actually own a gun,but shit if I wanted to I should be allowed!!

[SpankMe]

Remember they were also all licenced firearm owners. Not crims/gang members. The police never seem to get their priorities right. Like when they raided brothels and used the fact that the girls had condoms on them as proof that they were working there.

[Laava]

Isn't that crazy? I have guns the police don't know about, and I have them legally! They missed their chance to start a register when they brought out the new license system. Still, it would only apply to the honest among us. I had the 3rd degree re-license recently,"would you use your guns in self defense" I didn't know what the right answer was! The guy was very understanding as I couldn't answer it. I like the police taking unlicensed guns off gangs tho.

[placidfemme]

I don't own any guns... but wouldn't mind learning to use them and the such... I totally agree 100% with Lias... this NWO big brother crap is becoming a pain in the ass...

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Remember they were also all licenced firearm owners.

they say getting get the guns off the streets...??? err they were on the streets, I agree why not target the gangs and true crims... yet again the innocent pay

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

I only have a high powered crossbow, & a medium powered one, and you don't need a licence for these... makes you wounder???

[marty]

i went to a burg many years ago of a gun collectors house. 6 uzi's, 3 other full machine guns, a couple of Ak47's and a nice wee collection of semi auto pistols were amongst the haul.

some have been recovered, but there are some scary guns out there in bad guys hands as a result of this burglary, and if the collector had been more scrupulous about his security they probably wouldn't have been taken in the 1st place. there are 'collectors' out there that are not quite as committed to the security of their weapons as perhaps they should be, not to mention they appear to be simply breaking the law, both criminal and importing law. i have no sympathy for them.

and don't think for a minute that the police are not going after the gangs and their firearms - i don't see anyone on here saying how great it is when cops do a warrant and find 5 guns at a p-lab/gang house, which happens on a daily basis. oh, and where did the bad guys get the guns in the first place?

[Beemer]

I have to agree with Marty - the guns were not licensed and had not been bought legally from what I could understand. They were assault rifles and the like, things that if a genuine collector wanted to own, could be bought and licensed legally.

How do most of the criminals get their guns? From burgling collectors and gun shops, etc. So do you think these people would be likely to tell the police that someone broke in and stole five unlicensed weapons? No way! So the guns get circulated without the police even knowing of their existence.

I have very little sympathy for people who deal in these kinds of weapons and who aren't prepared to play by the rules.

[Finn]

Okay, so how may people die a year in NZ as a result of these auotmatic weapons? What ever the number is, deduct the gang on gang murders. That's a blessing, not a problem. I can't think of one.

Meanwhile, our Prime Minister is giving herself payrises while 1000's of people die on waiting lists for medical treatment.

Arm yourselves.

[Lias]

Completely hypothetically I may have had in my posession over the years various unlawful firearms, as well as knowing that many of the guys I grew up with also had "illegal" guns. None of them to my knowledge have ever killed anyone, or used them in an antisocial way, most of them are hard working family men, who believe vehemently in the right to defend their families and property with lethal force. None of those hypothetical firearms were ever from burglaries or brought off dodgy dealers. They were all brought by licensed gun owners off farmers who never bother with shit like paperwork, and had the serial numbers erased, and then passed onto their mates who paid for them in the first place.

I'm not a huge fan of America, but one thing America definitely does have its shit together with is the right to bear arms.

It SHOULD be legal in NZ for anyone whos not a serious criminal to posess whatever firearms they feel are necessary to defend their home and property, and lets face it assault rifles are made to kill people, and when your defending your family killing the intruders is what its all about. Not to mention its just plain FUN to fire fully auto weapons.

[Lias]

Its also worth mentioning that most of the news coverage has glossed over the fact that most if not all of the automatic rifles etc that were siezed were NOT possessed unlawfully. Where they suspected someone had been involved with any dealing in unlicensed guns , even a single shot .22, they siezed the entire collection /stock of weapons.. Given that we are talking about dealers and collectors I'm actually surprised how FEW fully automatic weapons they siezed.

[Squeak the Rat]

and lets face it assault rifles are made to kill people, and when your defending your family killing the intruders is what its all about.

From a distance. I'll take a shotgun any day for home defence and they are perfectly legal.....

[sAsLEX]

I have very little sympathy for people who deal in these kinds of weapons and who aren't prepared to play by the rules.

Do you know the difference between a say Legal Bolt Action hunting rifle and a military styled semi/full auto? Or would you in a robbery/criminal event?

A big arse shot gun looks far more sinister and are involved in alot more crimes than these guns that were collected in the raid

It SHOULD be legal in NZ for anyone whos not a serious criminal to posess whatever firearms they feel are necessary to defend their home and property, and lets face it assault rifles are made to kill people, and when your defending your family killing the intruders is what its all about. Not to mention its just plain FUN to fire fully auto weapons.

Pump Action Shot gun with pellets is the best home defence. Not many people walk after a taste of lead from them and the rounds have less chance to cause collateral damage than a slug or rifle round.

Wanna fire FULL auto? Join the defence we got a few!