Gun Raids - Big Brother is here

[doc]

BTW: Gun registration does not necessarily make things 'safer'
It was abandoned when it was realised that the only real benefit was it enabled recovered stolen to be returned to their rightful owners - and that's assuming said owners are still alive/still live at the last know address.

It sounds 'nice' and 'it will make things safer' to have all guns registered - but that's an illusion.

I sort of agree with you but at least they knew where most of them were. Why fix something that wasn't really broke. The coppers also got to see the individuals time to time.

[Skyryder]

I sort of agree with you but at least they knew where most of them were. Why fix something that wasn't really broke. The coppers also got to see the individuals time to time.

I understand that there is some legislation with firearms that says that all firearms are to consficated. Don't know the exact wording but I think the hands of the Police were tied in this. Anyone got any info on this??

Skyryder

[jonbuoy]

its bad enough when some fruit loop goes crazy with a handgun in a school,hate to think what carnage would be left behind if it was done with an uzi. And a 20min physc evaluation isn't going to pick up all the nutters.

[Swoop]

its bad enough when some fruit loop goes crazy with a handgun in a school,

Can you please point out the last time that happened in New Zealand please?

Don't confuse the laws we have here, with those of other countries.

[jonbuoy]

Best to just wait for it to happen aye?

[scumdog]

I sort of agree with you but at least they knew where most of them were.

THAT was the problem, - when they looked into it they realised the address etc of so many of the owners was waay out of date - and as a preventative measure registration did not have much going for it.

(When was the last time knowing who had what gun registered to them stopped a crime?)

[Lou Girardin]

THAT was the problem, - when they looked into it they realised the address etc of so many of the owners was waay out of date - and as a preventative measure registration did not have much going for it.

(When was the last time knowing who had what gun registered to them stopped a crime?)

Well that's the Arms Offices stuff up, isn't it? Perhaps they should have taken gun ownership more seriously. Maybe there wouldn't have been an Aramoana.
At least registration of individual weapons shows when someone is building their own little armoury, and a courtesy visit by the Plod may reveal the owner to be a tad wacky. You know the type, strokes his guns and has names for them all.

[Swoop]

its bad enough when some fruit loop goes crazy with a handgun in a school,

Fruit loop in a mall? about 2 years ago.

The "fruit loop" went crazy in a mall? Shooting spree?

[Swoop]

He shot at cops, bullets went through the mall at st lukes into a hair salon.

Police apprehended him at gunpoint before any civvies were injured.

This was the incident with the car chase, apprehension on the motorway? Did this incident involved a rifle or a handgun?

[scumdog]

Well that's the Arms Offices stuff up, isn't it? Perhaps they should have taken gun ownership more seriously. Maybe there wouldn't have been an Aramoana.
At least registration of individual weapons shows when someone is building their own little armoury, and a courtesy visit by the Plod may reveal the owner to be a tad wacky. You know the type, strokes his guns and has names for them all.

Like I would register the firearms I was buying if I was getting an arsenal together to go troppo with???

As -if!!

[TLDV8]

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Apply for a restricted firearm permit to import the weapon of choice .....Even better get 10 people to do so,give all the permits to a licensed dealer who brings the lot in as one shipment.Customs look at the permits. (There is no liason between Customs and the Police on this matter at the time of import,correct me if wrong) ..... If all is in order the firearms are released.It is then up to the permit holder to register that restricted weapon with the Police.There is no formal follow up on issued permits ?

Most problems start at the law maker who is normally in dream world making laws to suit honest people.

[Lou Girardin]

Like I would register the firearms I was buying if I was getting an arsenal together to go troppo with???

As -if!!

You know as well as I do that they get the guns first, while they're relatively sane, then go troppo later when the pressure gets too much.
Maybe one too many speeding tickets or somesuch.

[Smorg]

fuck the world buy a gun

[Swoop]

its bad enough when some fruit loop goes crazy with a handgun in a school,

Can you please point out the last time that happened in New Zealand please?

Fruit loop in a mall? about 2 years ago.

SKS 7.62mm semit auto rifle with a 15 round clip.

Leonard Hall, the offender in that incident, also supplied a 9mm pistol to an associate which was use to rob a dairy in New North Road about 2 months later. The owner of the dairy was shot dead in the robbery.

OK. So we have deduced that someone has not actually gone on a shooting spree with a handgun in an NZ shopping mall. An SKS cannot hold more than 10 rounds maximum, so it must be an SKK that he had. Irrelevant to the line of thought here anyway since it isn't a handgun.

Different topic area: He supplied another crim with a handgun that was used to rob a dairy.
Handguns are regularly found when police raid gang/drug houses and appear to be readily available to the underworld of crime.
I doubt that the criminals bother to wander down to the local station to have the serial number recorded, as Scummy has quite correctly stated previously.
Having a gun register does not prevent crime, as the Canadian gun registry fiasco has proven, it simply wastes vast amounts of taxpayers dollars (Canadian dollars $2billion and rising I believe - without solving one crime).

[Lou Girardin]

So why aren't we hearing of more raids seeking illegal guns.
Is it a resources thing? Or is it a can't be fucked thing like the response I received when I had two weapons stolen. I even told the cops who the likely offender was, a 12 year old boy, they phoned his mother and that was the end of it.