Teacher Kills off Santa

[Clockwork]

Total freaking rubbish. Here we go again with the bag Parents thread.

Who's "blaming the parents"?..... I'm simply pointing out that parents have a responsibilty to help preprare their kids for adulthood but where they can't or wont then society needs the schools to do it for them.

[James Deuce]

You were. I have no expectation of schools parenting my kids, in fact to have an arm of the social engineering experiment that calls itself Government is utter anathema. No one I know uses the school as parents. Most of them are disappointed at how little kids are expected to achieve, and how unaccountable teachers and schools actually are.

You're just generalising in the worst way and perpetuating a media created myth that parents suck.

[Grahameeboy]

Nuke Santa... Kill Barney... Fry The Telly Tubbies...


errr oh never mind I just venting....

Yeah but Bob the Builder, he will fix it.

[ManDownUnder]

Yeah but Bob the Builder, he will fix it.

I thought he was Minister of Foreign Affairs....

[Skyryder]

Well in my humble experiance when the kids go wrong its the schools fault. I used to be active in the school community when my kids were going to primary school. Out of about 400 famies ten would show up for orgnising fundraising, working bees etc. on a regular basis. And the shit some teachers have to suffer from over bearing mothers who have a higher expectation of their children than the child is capabe of is anothe story. Problem is everyones been to school, every parent thnks they are an expert on education.

If you put the time and effort into your children, they will do well know matter what the teacher or the school is like. But if you blame the school for all the childs problems with education they will pick up the vibes and act accordingly. It's not my fault it's someone elses. And once the child has that mindset they are unlikely to change...............ever............ and will apply it to all of their failures.

Skyryder

[bert_is_evil]

Kids know santa isn't real by the time they are 10 - there's always one kid who finds out and tells the rest. They only pretend to their parents that they still believe because it's part of the game.

[Skyryder]

I'm pretty sure that my 11 year old daughter doesn't believe anymore, though she insists that she does. I think it's ace that she still wants to believe

Nothing wrong with childhood fantasies becoming adult dreams.

Skyryder

[Clockwork]

You were. I have no expectation of schools parenting my kids, in fact to have an arm of the social engineering experiment that calls itself Government is utter anathema. No one I know uses the school as parents. Most of them are disappointed at how little kids are expected to achieve, and how unaccountable teachers and schools actually are.

You're just generalising in the worst way and perpetuating a media created myth that parents suck.

Are you actually sitting there with a straight face and telling me you believe that every child in New Zealand are receivng quality parenting and that consequently all the schools need to do is ensure that they can read write and do sums? And if the kids arn't being socialised by the parents who will do it if not the schools?

[ManDownUnder]

Are you actually sitting there with a straight face and telling me you believe that every child in New Zealand are receivng quality parenting and that consequently all the schools need to do is ensure that they can read write and do sums? And if the kids arn't being socialised by the parents who will do it if not the schools?

It obvious not every child is receiving quality parenting. The question is what to do about it.

I suggest it needs to be done at an individual level - each situation will be reasonably unique and needs to be addressed as such.

I also suggest it is not a teacher's role to be that good parent. A number of teachers will not good parents themselves (strike one), they busy enough as it is (strike two) and they're TEACHERS, not STATE PARENTS (strike three).

They do what they're paid to do. Teach.

My kids are lucky - they have good parents (and you're all very welcome to challenge me on anything you have the facts on - anytime at all). As a consequence any parenting done by teachers/schools is done at the expense of my kids' education. I do not wish to deny those underparented kids anything - far from it. I want them to have every chance in life.

Just as I do my kids.

I don't know that they answer is, but I'm sure that lumbering schools with the role of parenting the kids is not the way to do it. They're a good watchdog for sure. They're spend the 2nd most face time with the kids so are in a reasonably good position to spot anything going wrong. It's not up to them to fix it though - or at least it shouldn't be.

It's a tough one. I do not have the answer, but I do know where the answer is not...

[Clockwork]

MDU I agree with just about all of your post but I think society can't afford to do nothing for these kids while we try to think of a better solution.

Anyway, I think we may be extending this thread way beyond its origins. For the record I have no problem with teachers teaching 10 year olds that Santa doesn't exist. or even human reproduction or Darwins theory of evolution.

They better stop short of religion and politics though!

[KATWYN]

I grew up with Santa (drinking the beer, eating the goodies etc) and the Tooth Fairy thing (money left under my pillow)....Looking back I remember it was magical and exciting......I can't remember when I found out about the "lie" and how it felt. And because I can't remember being gutted and betrayed etc it can't have done any harm, cos i'm sure if it had been a major I would have remembered.

I was a fairy on Santas float once too....