One for the anti-Taser brigade.

[Skyryder]

So far you haven't explained why you are touting this information as if it were 'fact'.

Where DID you get this 'information'? from a reliable source?

Detective Inspector Bernie Hollewand of Auckland City police confirmed that the constable fired the Taser five times - three times loaded with cartridges and twice in "contact" mode, where it is used like a cattle prod. The first shot hit the son.




Skyryder

[spudchucka]

So far no one has explained how this guy missed twice with a tazor, spiked himself, and pepper sprayed the daughter. All we get is that it is the media's fault, you weren't there etc, and excuses.

Skyryder

There's only one person who could explain it and so far it doesn't appear that they are a member yet.

Take the media reports as being a lose representation of what might have happened only, they can't even get direct quotes of police supplied media releases right.

[spudchucka]

most people just want honesty and accountability in return for their trust.

But they trust the media and they are the biggest bullshit artists around, go figure?

[Skyryder]

Shit do you believe everything you read, hear and see by the media...

So tell me where I can find some evidence that disputes what I have posted.

So far no one has been able to. All I get is, 'I' was not there and statements in the manner of what you have written NH

Without any reliable evidence to the contrary I like many others in this country have only the media for information. There are remedies that indavidulas can take if the media makes statements that are grossly untrue.

I am unaware of any that the police or other indaviduals have taken against the Herald or the reporter who wrote the story

If you have information to the contrary where is it??

Skyryder

[spudchucka]

Detective Inspector Bernie Hollewand of Auckland City police confirmed that the constable fired the Taser five times - three times loaded with cartridges and twice in "contact" mode, where it is used like a cattle prod. The first shot hit the son.




Skyryder

Lets see Inspector Hollewand's actual media release.

[Skyryder]

I really love the way some people refer to "the media" as the source of all evil. Heard of shooting the messenger?
It seems to be a NZ sport, started by politicians and picked up by those caught out hiding the truth.
One thing is for sure, without the media, the world would be a very different place. Arthur Alan Thomas would still be in jail for just one example.
The trouble with NZ media is that they're often lazy rather than dishonest.
But it's not called the Fourth Estate for nothing.

It is interesting to note that where the media reports something that indaviduals support or generaly agree with (for whatever reason) there is never any doubt as to the stories accuracy. It is only when a story appears that is critical in some way to an indaviduals ethics etc. that the integrity of the source is bought into doubt, not the facts as reported.

Skyryder

[spudchucka]

Without any reliable evidence to the contrary I like many others in this country have only the media for information.

Dissregarding this matter, you have a number of cops on this forum who regularly offer up the truth regarding police related issues and yet you and others of a similar mindset simply choose to dismiss our explanations as if we are just brainwashed employees towing the company line. Nothing could be further from the truth!

Why aren't we believed? Because the truth we provide doesn't match the preconcieved notions you hold about the police, you simply don't want to face up to the truth.

[spudchucka]

It is interesting to note that where the media reports something that indaviduals support or generaly agree with (for whatever reason) there is never any doubt as to the stories accuracy. It is only when a story appears that is critical in some way to an indaviduals ethics etc. that the integrity of the source is bought into doubt, not the facts as reported.

Skyryder

When you see the media fuck up as much as we do you learn to take all news reporting with a grain of salt.

[Skyryder]

Lets see Inspector Hollewand's actual media release.

Let's see an official denial of the story. No one has denied that this incident did not occure and innocent parties were assaulted. That's the issue. Spud.



Skyryder

[Toaster]

So why do they report it that way round and potentially ruin a drivers life....because it sells papers.

Yeah they don't care about the truth, only about profit. It annoys me how so many people just take what the media says as gospel.

[scumdog]

It is interesting to note that where the media reports something that indaviduals support or generaly agree with (for whatever reason) there is never any doubt as to the stories accuracy. It is only when a story appears that is critical in some way to an indaviduals ethics etc. that the integrity of the source is bought into doubt, not the facts as reported.

Skyryder

The longer I'm in this job the less I beleive what the media say - I have seen so many straight out cock-ups by them as well as sensationalism "Dollar reaches 70 cents US - We're all over the hill to the poor house" etc.

I have explained incidents to the media using words of only two sylables yet they still have details like the vehicles were travelling in the opposite direction, the wrong car crossing the centr-line and the wrong drivers for each car, the list is so long you would find it hard to comprehend how they do it.
Now I just leave it to somebody else to inform the papers etc - just can't be bothered any more. (and yes, the media still screw up the info).

Hell, even their weather forecasts don't pan out!!!

[scumdog]

Let's see an official denial of the story. No one has denied that this incident did not occure and innocent parties were assaulted. That's the issue. Spud.



Skyryder

Because the incident falls into the "who cares" catagory??
Could have happened as you believe (pffft!) or could have NOT happened as you believe.

So what? Nobody is perfect (You lot don't pay 'perfection' money, in fact it would be more in the 'mediocraty' level of pay).

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Hell, even their weather forecasts don't pan out!!!

looks out the window... tell me about it

[Skyryder]

Yep the merry go round is still going 'round. No one has offered any alternitive evidence to the story. In a the absence of this is it not resonable to 'assume' the the stories facts as reported are correct.

For those who disagree well that's your perogative, all I can say is that if the police ever become permently armed on the streets I can just see some of you rushing to become this guys partner. If so I'd double your life insurance.

I'm jumping off the merry go round, it's stopped.



Skyryder

[spudchucka]

Let's see an official denial of the story. No one has denied that this incident did not occure and innocent parties were assaulted. That's the issue. Spud.



Skyryder

Why would they deny it when they have already acknowleged the incident?

I don't know anything about the incident, if its in the news and the Inspector has acknowleged something happened then lets just accept that something happened and drop the subject, shit happens, deal with it.

If the cop is the complete incompetant that the story makes him out to be then it is really a supervisory issue in that an incompetant was put into a situation like that in the first place.

But lets not lose sight of the fact that we haven't heard any explanation yet, (as far as I'm aware). Was the guy attempting to use the taser while the shit bags bull terrier was latched onto his balls, was he outnumbered and being assaulted by the whole family? Who would know? I don't and I'm damn sure you don't either.