Question on counter-steering

[terbang]

get a little bike until you graduate....
rest of us had to

You assume he hasn't, or know something..?

Fucking amen

Sorry dude but a boulevard is not the bike to learn things like counter steering on

Guy asks for a bit of advice on countersteering, probably just trying to get to grips with the glossary.
If he's riding a boulevard then he is definatly countersteering. Whether he knows it or not is a different story.

[Strider]

There is no such thing as truning when you ride a boulevard

What is "truning"?

[BMW]

Surely when someone asks about countersteering it's because they don't know what the term means, not that they don't know how to do it. It would be impossible for anyone who's ridden a motorcycle/pushbike at any speed greater than 10kph not to have countersteered at some point (unknowlingly)!

agreed most people do the leaning and the countersteering without knowing

I did one of the Ride Safe, Ride Right courses. Well worth it on any bike. Even if you think you know about riding!

[Strider]

get a little bike until you graduate....
rest of us had to

I have a full license, Just been many years since I last rode and just needed some under standing and refresh my memory on cornering and what counter steering is.

[HenryDorsetCase]

For an interesting take on this, and a demonstration and discussion of the theory a bit, check out the "No BS" bike at the California Superbike School

I hope to do the Philip Island CSS next year in April

[smoky]

get a little bike until you graduate....
rest of us had to

I've got an idea - lets make really fast light bikes and stick a pimple arsed hormone induced beginner on it.

I have a full license, Just been many years since I last rode...

good on ya mate - your bikes a hell of a lot safer than some of those 250 screaming death machines - go like a strangled fart, and can't stop at all.

[tri boy]

What is "truning"?

Thats a new one to me too.

[Mental Trousers]

Surely when someone asks about countersteering it's because they don't know what the term means, not that they don't know how to do it. It would be impossible for anyone who's ridden a motorcycle/pushbike at any speed greater than 10kph not to have countersteered at some point (unknowlingly)!

agreed most people do the leaning and the countersteering without knowing

I did one of the Ride Safe, Ride Right courses. Well worth it on any bike. Even if you think you know about riding!

True. However, I have seen a couple of cases where people didn't counter steer at all, instead they wrestled the bike around corners. Needless to say their riding was scary for both them and anyone around them until they were shown what it's all about.

[smoky]

What is "truning"?

It's like pruning a tree - t'runing

[MyGSXF:Me]

Go on one of Andrew's courses, it's worth the day out of your life to do it.

http://roadsafe.co.nz/index.html

I totally & utterly 100% second that suggestion!!!!!!!!!!!

I've just spent all of last weekend, A) helping out on Sat & B) participating on Sun, in courses Andrew & Lynne come down here to hold every year!! This is the 3rd year in a row now that I have been. They are absolutley bloody brilliant!!!!! I CANNOT speak highly enough & totally recommend that EVERY motorcyclist attend one.. NO matter HOW long they have been riding!!! here's a link to a post I put up last year..

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...98&postcount=1

Ring them up, book yaself in & DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jen

[howdamnhard]

What Stranger said and do a Ride Safe,Ride Right course.If turning stay wide and then cut in straight across the apex.Just be careful of cagers and your head going over the middle line.Remember slow into corners and fast out.Try keep an even slightly positive throttle going through the corner accelerating smoothly as you have a clean light out of the corner.Also try relax and concentrate on being smooth,the fast comes with it naturally.If you come in to hot just try lean further.Countersteering is a much easier way of getting a heavy bike like yours to lean over rather than trying to manhandle it.Hope this helps,take it easy and enjoy.

[MyGSXF:Me]

Notes on cornering from the Roadsafe course.

* Keep your eyes on the horizon - turn your head & look where you want to go.

* Slow down on the approach to the curve. (brake & change down gear as necessary while upright & straight.. BEFORE the corner)

* Enter wide for better visibility, apex only when you can see the exit, exit in the centre to allow for drift out wide under acceleration.

* Just before leaning into the corner - need positive throttle. Constant speed through the curve using constant throttle.

* When exiting, look up and around.

* Use of counter-steering

[tri boy]

It's like pruning a tree - t'runing

Aaaaah clear as mud......
I'm useless at that, killed a Poplar tree once using "assertive Pruning" techniques.

[smoky]

"assertive Pruning"

that would be ass'truning

[Cr1MiNaL]

Counter steering is essentially pushing on the left bar to turn left and vica versa.

For any given speed which is easier, a tighter curve or a more open curve? A more open curve is the correct answer. So why not start your left bend from the RHS of the lane and your right curve from the LHS of the lane? This produces the easiest curve.

As to leaning, try it on a round about some time. When it is clear to do so try keeping a consistent speed and leaning your upper torso into the corner then try leaning it away from the corner. As you lean in you will find the bike wanting to stand up to hold the same arc and you lean out you will find the bike wanting to lay over toward the corner more to keep the same arc.

So leaning in will give you more ground clearance. That said, I can't say I have ever seen a cruiser rider lean independently of their bike.

I don't think I know of a man who would explain this to you with more patience. However use the search feature Mr.Strider... it will bring up a lot of useful stuff... theres a couple of me on U tube bein a muppet too that might give you a few laughs...