Exclusion of Motards from F1, F2 & F3: Good or bad?

[scracha]

if it is good enough for the 600's to be elgible 2 classes (F2 and F1) why not let the motards ride the 2 classes they are eligible for

Ok, if they want 2 classes then how about one for motards and then just lump them in with the sidecars as they take different lines too :-)

Motard racing seems a bit strange over here. Back in Froggyland the races seemed to have dirt and jumps and stuff.

[Hellraiser]

According to the rule book that i have read 600 are not elgible to compete in F1

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700cc ñ Open 4-stroke 3 & 4 Cylinder
800cc ñ Open 4-stroke Twin Cylinder

or am i reading the wrong rules?

[Sketchy_Racer]

I dont think your getting my point

This has nothing to do with who gets to do what.

A 600 and a 1000 both ridden in very similar ways. I dont hear the 1000 riders complaining about the lines of 600s. Maybe only if they are getting thier arse whooped by a 600

This has to do, with the fact that your bikes ARENT street bikes, so DONT come into the street bike class. (which are the Formula classes)

You Have you own class, stop being so greedy.

If you can get into bears or classics then great, but the Formula classes arent and never will be for motards (dirt bikes ridden on tarseal)

And dont anyone give me this "what makes a motard"

Cause if you cant tell, your too dumb to be racing fullstop

[Sketchy_Racer]

According to the rule book that i have read 600 are not elgible to compete in F1



or am i reading the wrong rules?

Yep, they tecnically arent allowed, but for some reason, most clubs will let them in. Dunno why.

[Rashika]

Yes but Darren's DR400 hardly counts as a motorcycle let alone a Motard
More duct tape and noise than what is traditionally envisaged as the minimum components needed to qualify as a motorcycle.

yeah I DID say ALMOST!

[pervert]

Motards are so fucking cool, they should be able to do whatever they want.

[Brian d marge]

alot of the problems with the motards seem to be that they take different lines

i think this could be that a lot of motard riders come from a mx background (incl me) where we square corners off, also we do not mind being a bit aggrressive and taking the inside line where it is offered,

someone mentioned a few pages back about setting up a motard to pass and then teh guy haveing the nerve to shove it back up the inside ont eh next corner,

how dare he, not rying to repass someone, he should have just followed me for a bit to learn race lines,

my ass, if some passes me, (on a motard, or a 400, or a 600, or a gp 125 or on a fucken horse) he better have the inside protected in the next corner as to right i am going to try to out brake him, and if he does protect the inside i am going to try and go around him. thats fucken racing,

if i am not allowed to cross enter my motard in other classes thats fine, however if its one bike one class thats the rule for everyone, no bears and f1, no post classics and f3 on your pre 89 400, no f1 and f2 on your 600,

fair enough if comeone is being dangerous black flag him, that what it is thier for,

and to add to the above, as far as I am aware its only good ole NZ who is different ....Motards or Moto Tt started as a who is the best in their field , ie it is SUPPOsed to have an offroad section.. ( I think it is getting to specialised , with aprillias and the dirt sections are getting smaller ,,but thats my opinion )

Well done wanganui for adding a section ,,,

Sorry but here racing is a. big business , and b, well supported , So So the grids are full ,,and its good to watch 30 superbikes heading into the first turn

Because of this the rules are clearly laid down. ( I was watching enduro cross last nite and as the man said to the booing crowd ,,,folks there is a 10 000 dollar purse for this race , the other racers would have done the same pass in a heart beat !!!! and a trials bike did actually do very well ! so the rules need to be VERY clear ,,see the F1 cars for clear rules ,,Ferrari getting in trouble for a flexing wing ,,,when money is involved... ... )

At the end of the day , racing is going from point A to B as fast as the bike you have chosen will allow you ...theres the track ...now go.

Now some bike are better at some things than others ...so you chose the most appropriate tool for the job,,,,

Now lets step it up a notch , you need to win ,,,so I would be looking very carefully at the rules to see what advantages I could get ,,the more I have at stake ,,the more I get concerned about the advantages offered to me ( eg classic racing in britain, the top bike ,,are almost modern machinery that just so happen to look like a 1907 alldays and Onions ) ,,

there I would like to leave the serious part , because I doubt most people on this list spend/have at stake some of the money that some companies invest in racing ,,,( FCC in Japan only races at club and national level ... and you should see what they bring to play with )

So I guess its all about having fun , since there isnt anything at stake ..only the cost of competing ...and Joe rocket on a 1905 Wheeser isnt actually a danger to the other racers / spectators then the problem is ????
Who did the crowd love more at Wanganui ,,,the winner of the side cars or that ole Triumph ????

Finally I think it is strange to see MX bikes racing against F3 ( one the one hand I think that class is a real balls up , on the other hand its good to see a wide range of machinery competing ) but as there is nothing at stake it doesnt matter ....

so you spend 700 dollars and travel to the south Island and get third in your class ,,,you get?? .. a good feeling and a hell of alot of enjoyment ..so ,,, just get out there and enjoy yourself ...

One thing though ( IMHO) if you are competing at an event where spectators have paid money to watch then , you have an obligation to those spectators to provide value for money to them ( again back to this enduro cross , the MC was checking and rechecking the crowds reaction always trying to give the spectator value for money .....for a very good reason to )

6 bikes circulating around a windswept paddock , with something passing for a luke warm hotdog covered with red wallpaper paste,,,is pretty rugged ..
I would prefer a warm place with a beer watching bikes passing a few cm from me nose ...with toilets close at hand ..oh and nice food , a short walk from me seat ...oh and a few shops/stalls ..

Stephen

Stephen

If you want to win . do something about it , or as uncle chopper says take one of those harden up pills

[Bonez]

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Problem... pleanty actually:
They take different lines causing havoc
brake and acelarate different causing havoc
take up a shit load of room when cranked over
over fill the F3 classes to excess
dangerous foot work (not all)

Like I stated. The racing is much more interesting..............
As mentioned races can have number caps.

[dangerous]

Like I stated. The racing is much more interesting..............
As mentioned races can have number caps.

yeah it is interesting, but the day when a acco results in a death... thats the end of street racing in NZ... and that will be a sad day as street racing is a part of NZ.

but it takes more skill to ride a 1000 quick than to ride a 600 quick (thats why most people are faster on 600's), let the f1 guys race their big bikes agaisnt each other,

if it is good enough for the 600's to be elgible 2 classes (F2 and F1) why not let the motards ride the 2 classes they are eligible for

IMHO... 600's should not be raced in F1 they are a completly different bike and there for a rider can not be compaired with a thour rider... like you said in the above quote.

Yes but Darren's DR400 hardly counts as a motorcycle let alone a Motard
More duct tape and noise than what is traditionally envisaged as the minimum components needed to qualify as a motorcycle.

Still... passing that fucker was still hard work, Im buggered If I know how the he he rode that thing the rear tyre was bloody near flat and the front was like 100 yrs old... screw that.

[Kickaha]

Still... passing that fucker was still hard work, Im buggered If I know how the he he rode that thing the rear tyre was bloody near flat and the front was like 100 yrs old... screw that.

If you were any good he wouldn't have been in front of you from the start

[dangerous]

If you were any good he wouldn't have been in front of you from the start

shut up... you wernt there, any way.. you seen Darren on his big block... yeah well he rode the DR in the same fassion.

[NordieBoy]

shut up... you wernt there, any way.. you seen Darren on his big block... yeah well he rode the DR in the same fassion.

He rides the DR cause it handles like the Harley but with more power

[NordieBoy]

This has to do, with the fact that your bikes ARENT street bikes, so DONT come into the street bike class. (which are the Formula classes)

The Aprillia SXV is sold as a street bike with lights and blinkers.

They've been making factory street motards since the early 1990's (if you don't count the TDR 250).

They should have a seperate class though (with dirt section).

[Sketchy_Racer]

The Aprillia SXV is sold as a street bike with lights and blinkers.

They've been making factory street motards since the early 1990's (if you don't count the TDR 250).

They should have a seperate class though (with dirt section).

Yes, they are sold as street bikes, But they are also sold as dirt bikes, as per the FIM rules, so they can race in motards.

As said earlier, If you cant tell the difference between a motard and a streetbike, you're an idiot.

[gav]

So according to your theory RG100, no GP based bikes like your RS or TZ125 or a 250 GP bike should be allowed in a street race either, as they arent street bikes?
And don't the 600 boys complain about the 1000's holding them up in the corners then blasting off down the straights, not the 1000's complaining about the 600's!
Most of the European factories now build production Supermotard bikes, KTM, Aprilia, Husky, Husaberg etc, then you get the modified MX bikes like the RMZ450, YZF450, CRF450 etc, and also the two strokers but probably less of these now.
Still think its at few tracks and mainly the tighter street circuits that the Motards cause a problem. What was the turn out like at Greymouth? Was there big numbers there? Any concerns?