Exclusion of Motards from F1, F2 & F3: Good or bad?

[NordieBoy]

The MX section needs to be organsied well, so that excess dirt is not pulled back onto the track.

Like the drifters do?

[Sketchy_Racer]

Yeah. Drifters pulling dirt on is fine, so long they clean it up before they leave the track. Unfortunatly, they seem to do a halfarsed attempt at best.

But cause the motards are running on the same day, they dont have time to clean the track in-between races, so need to have a 'cleaning' area for thier tyres before returning to the main track.

[Shadows]

From a spectator's point of view, after watching them at Wanganui, I reckon that although they are pretty cool to watch in their own right, they should remain in their own class.
I got the impression in the other classes (admittedly they weren't in F1, and only a couple in F2 anyway) that they seemed to get in the way of the other bikes a bit, I think this would be more pronounced on a faster track.
It was weird watching the sportbike riders getting knees down but the motard riders backing into corners with their inside foot out. Kind of spoiled it IMO.

[dangerous]

Darryl I seriously think you need to pull you head in a little... this aint the Dangerous show.

I said tone it down when people were getting edgy... and the thread was doing down the wrong road.

Never have I told anyone not to discuss it, just do it without any abuse... thats all, my mind has been constant all along... people can do their thing as long as they keep it clean.

you really are funny at times... so whats your thoughts on motards then Joni? you dont ride, so you come in the spectator category... ???

[Joni]

My thoughts are not relevant... I was acting as a moderator, and I was concerned about the tone of the thread...

[gav]

Hey come on, Dangerous has raced a bucket for all of 18 months, and might have managed a dozen races on his Kat, (mainly club days, mind.) He's the authority around here on road racing,
no one else has an opinion worth hearing.....
The bikes aren't at fault, its the way riders are using them, if they get too dangerous they should be warned in the pits or black flagged same as anyone else.
Consider this, take a Yamaha YZF450 mx bike, add 17" wheels, slicks, upgrade brakes and suspension, what have ya got? Its a motard...maybe.
Add clipons, and maybe a different frame (Tigcraft perhaps ), then its.......
a bonafide F3 bike, but what if the rider decided he wanted higher bars and started sticking his leg out? Then what?

[dangerous]

Hey come on, Dangerous has raced a bucket for all of 18 months, and might have managed a dozen races on his Kat, (mainly club days, mind.) He's the authority around here on road racing,
no one else has an opinion worth hearing.....

now thats right... how come the rest dont understand that Gav???
Ohh and ummm... what have I said thats so bad anyway... just posted the poll results???

[Sketchy_Racer]

Hey come on, Dangerous has raced a bucket for all of 18 months, and might have managed a dozen races on his Kat, (mainly club days, mind.) He's the authority around here on road racing,
no one else has an opinion worth hearing.....
The bikes aren't at fault, its the way riders are using them, if they get too dangerous they should be warned in the pits or black flagged same as anyone else.
Consider this, take a Yamaha YZF450 mx bike, add 17" wheels, slicks, upgrade brakes and suspension, what have ya got? Its a motard...maybe.
Add clipons, and maybe a different frame (Tigcraft perhaps ), then its.......
a bonafide F3 bike, but what if the rider decided he wanted higher bars and started sticking his leg out? Then what?

They Can do what the fuck they like, so lon as they are in thier own class, and not the formula classes.

[gav]

Give em time...they'll understand....
I dunno, thought an 11 page thread in the racing section is/was a top effort!
Good stuff TonyB!

[gav]

They Can do what the fuck they like, so lon as they are in thier own class, and not the formula classes.

Doh!! You have heard of Jason Easton havent you?

[NordieBoy]

They Can do what the fuck they like, so lon as they are in thier own class, and not the formula classes.

Here's an idea.
Let them do what they like as long as it's within the rules of the class.

[Hellraiser]

The MX section needs to be organsied well, so that excess dirt is not pulled back onto the track.

Firstly I'm not having ago at anything you posted RG100 in fact i agree with your comment BUT......

Lets say in a perfect world someone (with balls) from MCNZ has read this tread and decides its a good idea and all Motards are excluded from all classes execpt their own, all race meets find away of including a dirt section to keep the motard crew happy, now not all meets will be able to do the dirt section like Waganui so now we all start moaning about how much dirt the motards are putting on the track.

So what do we do now?

I know we start a thread moaning about how much dirt the motards put on the track.

So we go back to our perfect little world where the said MCNZ person with balls now decides that motards should be excluded from road racing events all together and should have race events of their own. now too me this seems like the best scenario because now everyone is happy.

So what do we do now?

I know we start a thread moaning about how few bikes we have in each class and how we can attract more people to race.

So the moral of my ranting?

It is human nature to moan about shit. Play the cards you have been dealt, learn how to beat them or if you really don't like racing with them then don't, just stay home on the couch.

[Bonez]

Here's an idea.
Let them do what they like as long as it's within the rules of the class.

Seems to be a concept some fail to comprehend. Bitching on an internet forum isn't going to change anything anyway.

Joni Dangerous is a ginger so don't be to hard on him. He use to ride a CX500 after all

[TonyB]

Yet another way of looking at it. They don't put dirfters and NZV8's out on the track at the same time, hell I don't think they even use the same meetings. But they are both modified rearwheel drive road cars with around the same power output.

They used to put the old Group A cars out with Toyota Starlets (among others), it got a tad dangerous at times, and the faster guys got pissed off at the slower guys. Eventually they stopped doing it.

I can't help but wonder though, if the confused classes, and perhaps even the internal politics of road racing in NZ, is what turns sponsors and the viewing public off.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Fair comment Hellraiser, and you you are right.

We will never ever make everyone 'happy'.

So we try to do, is make the majority of the people happy, but unfortunatly, the minority, are then Not happy.

I can assure you, I am not happy, that from now on, im probably going to be racing my 125 agaist a whole heap of bikes, that i dont want to be there. But because the majority of people will complain if 125gp gets a class, it is better than the minority (us) just have to live with it.

Just the same way as this poll suggests, the majority will be happy if motards stay in thier own class, but at the expense that the minority (Motards) will be a little pissed off.

If Motards, have thier own class, they should be happy with that. Just the same way that i DONT have a class, but hey, i chose the bike i wanted, so I just have to be happy with the fact that i will be put into another class

-Glen