Graeme William Burton in custody

**doc** · 9th January 2007, 09:04

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

KE= 1/2 * m * v

so you use a bit fat bullet to get the power/energy required.

We are talking practical here.

**Sniper** · 9th January 2007, 09:06

I love these sorts of threads.

Dont forget, you have to understand how much energy will be transferred to the victim from the projectile in order to find how much the target will move back. I bet the dummy would have moved back a hell of a lot more if they shot at the plate with something smaller than .50

**sAsLEX** · 9th January 2007, 09:07

Originally Posted by doc

We are talking practical here.

I keep forgetting the laws of physics don't apply in real practical situations, silly me.

**Finn** · 9th January 2007, 09:10

I was speaking to a person yesterday who knows a prison officer at Paremoremo. He said that right up to the time Burton was released on parole, he was a nutter and wanted to go down in history as NZ's most notorious hard arse.

There's a lot of big, tough talk about guns but at the end of the day, kiwi's are a bunch of pitiful wimps who created this mess in the first place, then act all angry and ask lots of questions when this shit goes down. This is nothing new. It happens all the time.

Kiwi. A flightless bird. How appropriate.

Bloody colony.

**Pixie** · 9th January 2007, 09:12

Originally Posted by candor

the govt should get its Ass kicked out. END OF RANT. And did I say SHOOT THEM. Aaaaaal of them. It would be for the best.

It is the govt that demands,while hiding behind the parole board's skirts,that criminals are released on parole.
They require this for various reasons - to keep the national prison population low, so Clark can look good to the UN and get a job with them.
To save money in the prison system so Cullen can increase his surpluses etc.

**James Deuce** · 9th January 2007, 09:14

Originally Posted by Sniper

I love these sorts of threads.

Dont forget, you have to understand how much energy will be transferred to the victim from the projectile in order to find how much the target will move back. I bet the dummy would have moved back a hell of a lot more if they shot at the plate with something smaller than .50

As I said they shot it with everything from hand guns to sniper weapons. The Barrett caused the biggest movement.

At .223 round from a generic small bore hunting rifle barely marked the dummy's clothing.

**jrandom** · 9th January 2007, 09:15

Originally Posted by Hitcher

Whereas I would argue that a "civilised" society deserves a justice system, rather than a revenge system, and that state-sanctioned murder has no place in restorative justice.

You want restorative justice?

How do you argue its necessity? Certainly justice must exist to provide a secure, predictable society for those willing to abide by the necessary behavioural constraints, but beyond that?

The justifiability of capital punishment for premeditated murder is easy to establish from any end of the philosophical spectrum. Both Kant's categorial imperative and moral relativism allow it. I could go on. The only reason for not bending to such an overwhelming moral necessity, as a society, is the pragmatic consideration of judicial fallability.

I put it to you that your desire for restorative justice exists only as a necessary prop for your benevolent self-image. Restorative justice may be desirable on a selfish level, but it is no more morally justifiable than masturbation.

**jrandom** · 9th January 2007, 09:15

Originally Posted by doc

We are talking practical here.

Google the .300 Whisper.

**doc** · 9th January 2007, 09:16

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

I keep forgetting the laws of physics don't apply in real practical situations, silly me.

Cost does theory is free

**terbang** · 9th January 2007, 09:16

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

KE= 1/2 * m * v

so you use a bit fat bullet to get the power/energy required.

Nearly there.
1/2xMxV(squared) Its the V (velocity) bit thats squared. In other words if you say doubled the V (velocity) then you would get 4 times the Kinetic. If you doubled the M (mass) then you would only have double the Kinetic.

**jrandom** · 9th January 2007, 09:20

Originally Posted by Finn

kiwi's are a bunch of pitiful wimps... This is nothing new. It happens all the time.

Kiwi. A flightless bird. How appropriate.

Fuck off. You're just angry about tax rates. Get over it.

Good troll, though.

**Hitcher** · 9th January 2007, 09:22

Originally Posted by Pixie

It is the govt that demands,while hiding behind the parole board's skirts,that criminals are released on parole.
They require this for various reasons - to keep the national prison population low, so Clark can look good to the UN and get a job with them.
To save money in the prison system so Cullen can increase his surpluses etc.

1. The Government does not "demand" that prisoners are released on parole. Those decisions are made on a case-by-case basis.

2. Parole is a legitimate device used in the rehabilitation of people convicted of all manner of offences.

3. The Rt Hon Helen Clark is not in the running for any "job" with the UN. There were unsubstantiated rumours that she may have been in contention for the Secretary General's role when Kofi Annan's term expired. Now that Ban Ki-moon has secured that role, I would have thought that the Clark rumours may have disappeared.

4. (Over)Expenditure on new prisons is a significant issue for this Government. Bumping a few more prisoners out on parole is unlikely to have any material effect on this whatsoever.