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    Quote Originally Posted by Bnonn View Post
    Rob, a better bike won't make you a better rider. Chances are that if you get an R1 and Matt gets an SV650, he'll still nail you in the corners unless you get some practice in. On the upside, I've never yet found natural talent to be an adequate substitute for study, practice, and experience. Although I'm speaking from my martial arts experience, I think it's universally true that even the most mediocre abilities can be refined to a high degree of skill by dedicated application—and the more mediocre you are, the more you tend to work hard at compensating for your lack of natural talent, and the better you become. People with natural talent tend to become complacent and assume they don't need to study or practice, and then they get whooped by people who, six months ago, had no chance against them.

    Of course, I'm not saying you're mediocre; I don't really know how good you are. I personally sit closer to the mediocre end of the spectrum than the brilliant end—so I have to keep practicing, and particularly work at getting over my psychological limits.

    Warr: a couple of spare bulbs would be great if you're willing to spare them (:
    Maybe you should of thought about that before buying that FZ6, it's getting wasted...
    I'm not talking about bike performance... I'm talking of rider skill, that if Matt can handle that cruiser of his through corners like he does, he'd do pretty damn well on a bike that's actually made to corner quickly ...although at the rate I'm going, I'm gonna need a better bike (more power, better suspension, more onboard room), as the FZR is getting old, as in: If I had more power, I'd actually use it, and of course, with more power, better suspension would be needed for higher and sharper corner speeds, and being 6'4", a 400cc Race Replica isn't exactly comfy on rides down to Taupo, unless a lot of legwork is involved (hanging off the bike so constantly, that you don't sit in one position for more than 5 minutes)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bnonn View Post
    but I wanted a bigger bike because I thought it would help me improve my riding.
    Big Kev... is that you? FZ6? What happened to your VFR800?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warr View Post
    A plan in evolving !! ... Wed night when its too wet or cold
    How many bods could you seat in this area Rob ??
    I'll take this post as you volunteering as teacher

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerminalAddict View Post
    I'll take this post as you volunteering as teacher
    I'm always happy to be out in front .. you know that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warr View Post
    A plan in evolving !! ... Wed night when its too wet or cold
    How many bods could you seat in this area Rob ??
    Probably 6 - 7...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeroIndex View Post
    Big Kev... is that you? FZ6? What happened to your VFR800?
    That aint Kev?

    I'ld be keen for this rider skills teacher student evening is the teacher female?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bnonn
    but I wanted a bigger bike because I thought it would help me improve my riding.
    Quote Originally Posted by ZeroIndex View Post
    Big Kev... is that you? FZ6? What happened to your VFR800?
    Quote Originally Posted by mattmacaskill View Post
    That aint Kev?

    I'ld be keen for this rider skills teacher student evening is the teacher female?
    I was hoping you would've got the joke, but you obviously haven't met Big Kev on the VFR800?
    He couldn't ride his GT250R properly, so he bought a bigger bike: Cause the bigger the bike, the better the rider becomes...


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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeroIndex View Post
    Probably 6 - 7...
    Sounds alright.. I cant imagine there would be any more who would make it out on a Wed night.
    See if anyone else has somewhere to offer. Bnon's book or Twist of t wrist. Choose a chapter and arm wrestle away. As for teacher. It would be the person who keeps everyone else on track the best

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeroIndex View Post
    haven't met Big Kev on the VFR800?
    He couldn't ride his GT250R properly, so he bought a bigger bike: Cause the bigger the bike, the better the rider becomes...

    Hahaha, i've met him, i guess he just forgot to mention that last part

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bnonn View Post
    Rob, a better bike won't make you a better rider. Chances are that if you get an R1 and Matt gets an SV650, he'll still nail you in the corners unless you get some practice in. On the upside, I've never yet found natural talent to be an adequate substitute for study, practice, and experience. Although I'm speaking from my martial arts experience, I think it's universally true that even the most mediocre abilities can be refined to a high degree of skill by dedicated application—and the more mediocre you are, the more you tend to work hard at compensating for your lack of natural talent, and the better you become. People with natural talent tend to become complacent and assume they don't need to study or practice, and then they get whooped by people who, six months ago, had no chance against them.

    Of course, I'm not saying you're mediocre; I don't really know how good you are. I personally sit closer to the mediocre end of the spectrum than the brilliant end—so I have to keep practicing, and particularly work at getting over my psychological limits.

    Warr: a couple of spare bulbs would be great if you're willing to spare them (:
    bro my dads superman ill own your ass

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bnonn View Post
    I wasn't criticising either of them, Deeknow. And I particularly wasn't claiming (implicitly or otherwise) to be a better rider. Far from it. But my riding theory is reasonably good, even if my practice isn't, and I have had a lot of good advice from much better riders than I, which I feel can be validly given to others even if I am somewhat hypocritical by merit of not being able to apply it perfectly myself. So I don't mean to sound patronizing or anything; I think that everyone who has ridden with me knows that I am not a particularly good rider, and that I recognize this and wish to improve. So any advice I give should be taken with this in mind, but also with the knowledge that I don't speak only from my own experience, but also from the authority of the better riders whose advice I have read or received.

    Anyhoo, I was just taking what Rob said and running with it—if Rob himself thinks that Matt is a better rider than he is, then if this is true, a better bike isn't what Rob needs. A better bike will obviously make him faster if he's already riding at the limits of his current bike, but I dunno that he is doing that. But let me rephrase for the sake of courtesy:

    If Matt were to ride my Fazer, and I got an R1, he would probably still beat me through the twisties. I mean, yeah, I could crank the throttle on the straights and overtake him, but anyone can twist their wrist and go fast in a straight line. What I need isn't a better bike; what my bike needs is a better rider. It seems like very often people say that they need a better bike to go faster, when in fact they aren't even going nearly as fast as their current bike would allow if it were ridden to the limits of its performance. I know I am guilty of this to some extent. I could have upgraded to a VFR250 when my ZR died, and remained legal, and probably have done myself a favor by doing so; but I wanted a bigger bike because I thought it would help me improve my riding. (In my defense, I did at least recognize that a 750 or 900 or liter bike would be beyond my skill level and simply be foolish.) The truth is that a bigger bike tends to be an impediment to going faster—it is entirely possible to own a ZR250 and to keep up with many riders on 600 sportbikes, but it requires you to have more skill than them. Even now, I am guilty of upgrade syndrome. "The suspension feels squashy in the corners—I need heavier oil and better springs." No, I need a smoother throttle and braking, better body position, and clean and accurate lines. Once I've got that sorted, then it will be time for better oil. The only upgrade I feel halfway justified doing at the moment is braided lines, because with a pillion on board I am not happy with my bike's stopping power. But even then, I could get much better stopping distance by practicing my emergency braking, rather than shelling over $150 and using technology to compensate for my lack of skill.

    Again, the only person I'm aiming to criticize here is myself, but I think that other people would benefit by considering what I'm saying. It isn't just based on my own experience—in fact, I am mostly restating what far more experienced and skilled riders than I have told me, and which I have come to realize from my own experience is true.
    i think you would benefit if more people criticize you aswell. by the way dont be mean to zerodollars or dean there my boys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeroIndex
    Maybe you should of thought about that before buying that FZ6, it's getting wasted...
    That is exactly what I just said...you did read my post, right? I didn't mean to imply that you are not a good enough rider to benefit from upgrading; if you think that you would use the performance of a better bike, then I believe you. I am not in a position to say otherwise since you are a better rider than I am.

    As regards Big Kev, I haven't met him. But you know who I am, man...are you on drugs or something? I was at the Lines & Tips ride, remember? Black bike, no leather pants, kinda effeminate and blink a lot in a creepy way, also South African...someone here is confused.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder
    i think you would benefit if more people criticize you aswell. by the way dont be mean to zerodollars or dean there my boys!
    Dude, go back to school and learn to write your own language. Maybe you'll also not skip growing up the second time around too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bnonn View Post
    That is exactly what I just said...you did read my post, right? I didn't mean to imply that you are not a good enough rider to benefit from upgrading; if you think that you would use the performance of a better bike, then I believe you. I am not in a position to say otherwise since you are a better rider than I am.

    As regards Big Kev, I haven't met him. But you know who I am, man...are you on drugs or something? I was at the Lines & Tips ride, remember? Black bike, no leather pants, kinda effeminate and blink a lot in a creepy way, also South African...someone here is confused.


    Dude, go back to school and learn to write your own language. Maybe you'll also not skip growing up the second time around too.
    I apologise if my post got mistaken... Yes, I know exactly who you are, I was simply referring to the similarities in the way you and big Kev decided to upgrade to much bigger bikes, before mastering the ones you already had... and no, when I posted this, I hadn't read your other post... hence why I only quoted the post in question, not the other one that obviously answered what I said...
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    Cool yea but...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bnonn View Post
    I could crank the throttle on the straights and overtake him, but anyone can twist their wrist and go fast in a straight line.
    Wana bet; not everyone can go fast in a straight line - it's nana art.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bnonn View Post
    What I need isn't a better bike; what my bike needs is a better rider.
    nah - if ya can't keep up around corners, get a bigger bike than them and hunt them down on the straights I say

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    Quote Originally Posted by smoky View Post
    Wana bet; not everyone can go fast in a straight line - it's nana art.


    nah - if ya can't keep up around corners, get a bigger bike than them and hunt them down on the straights I say

    *runs off to find a road that is comprised only of technical corners*
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