The firearm thread

[pete376403]

When I was in the territorials I'm pretty sure the 7.62 SLR was referred to as "...gas operated..." referring to the semi-auto part of it. Possibly someone who knows firearms has accurately described it to a reporter who doesn't have a clue, and "gas operated" has morphed into "air rifle". Possibly.

[The Pastor]

Over-the-counter gun

The gun suspected of killing Sgt Wilkinson can be bought over the counter without a gun licence.

It is understood there are thousands of the high-powered air rifles in New Zealand.

The New Zealand Council for Licensed Firearms Owners said such guns had become increasingly powerful.

"Some of those air guns are as powerful as a high-powered hunting rifle," the council's executive director, John Howatt, told Radio New Zealand.

"You need to have a firearms licence, training and be assessed by police to have a high-powered hunting rifle.

"It is unreasonable you should be able to go out and buy an air rifle just because you are 18."

Police Commissioner Howard Broad said today he would be reviewing the Arms Act and the availability of air rifles

"Policy responsibility for the Arms Act is actually mine so I will have a look at that."

can this be anything else than fear mongering? power full as a high powerd hunting rifle? is he on crack? shouldnt somone in his job know what all types of rifles are capeable of?

[sAsLEX]

Shit and I just bought a 308 when an air rifle would of done!



Mr Merde - a few on a hunting forum suggest hand Lapping the barrel before firing to remove any burrs etc. Before googling I thought I would ask on here what that involves to add a bit more info to the thread.

[Mr Merde]

Over-the-counter gun

The gun suspected of killing Sgt Wilkinson can be bought over the counter without a gun licence.

It is understood there are thousands of the high-powered air rifles in New Zealand.

The New Zealand Council for Licensed Firearms Owners said such guns had become increasingly powerful.

"Some of those air guns are as powerful as a high-powered hunting rifle," the council's executive director, John Howatt, told Radio New Zealand.

"You need to have a firearms licence, training and be assessed by police to have a high-powered hunting rifle.

"It is unreasonable you should be able to go out and buy an air rifle just because you are 18."

Police Commissioner Howard Broad said today he would be reviewing the Arms Act and the availability of air rifles

"Policy responsibility for the Arms Act is actually mine so I will have a look at that."

can this be anything else than fear mongering? power full as a high powerd hunting rifle? is he on crack? shouldnt somone in his job know what all types of rifles are capeable of?

Another fucking "witch hunt" to pin blame on firearms users.

More dracoanian legislation.

Gun control is not about controlling guns it is all about controlling people.

Weapons will always be available to the criminal fraternity. Just the other day I downloaded ( for educational purposes) a book on how to build a .22 calibre machine pistol. All you need is a moderatwe amount of skill and a workshop and anyone can have this weapon. If you search the internet you can find instructions how to make or adapt a lot of household items or easily obtainable materials into quite devastating weapons.

[Mr Merde]

Shit and I just bought a 308 when an air rifle would of done!



Mr Merde - a few on a hunting forum suggest hand Lapping the barrel before firing to remove any burrs etc. Before googling I thought I would ask on here what that involves to add a bit more info to the thread.

Never tried it myself. Know the principle of it and can understand the reasoning but not experienced it.

You can get projectiles that have an abrasive compound in them these apparently do the same job.

Would be interested in what google has to say.

[sAsLEX]

Would be interested in what google has to say.

Barrel lapping used to have to be done on a production line to get a
good barrel, at least until the introduction of button rifled barrels.
Many custom barrels are still lapped for the highest precision.

Traditional lapping is done by creating a lead plug that fits the bore
as precisely as possible (typically by pouring it in the barrel over a
plug. The lap is removed partially from the barrel and lapping
compoubd applied. The lap is psuhed and pulled through the barrel
until a consistent pressure is felt though the action. It is often
necessary to pull the lar from the barrel and to make a new one, and
it's always necessary to clean when changing grits.

Properly done a lapping will make a barrel consistent to within a few
tenths (.0001"), typically 1/10000". In addition the barrel will be
easier to clean and can run for more shots without bad fouling.

Fire lapping is the lazy man's barrel lapping, and some say that it
does as good a job. Nothing will replace a good custom barrel, but
firelapping will improve most factory barrels and make them easier to
clean and fire more consistent groups.

Fire lapping consists of embedding lapping compound on the driving
surfaces of the bullet and firing the bullet through the bore. After
a small number of shots (5-10) the barrel is typically cleaned and you
progress to the next finer grit. I believe that LBT sells only a
couple of grits, NECO sells 4 with the final being a 1200 grit.

A fire lapping system http://www.rifleshootermag.com/gunsmithing/finish_0723

Interesting article on coating the barrel with Moly after lapping but prior to shooting http://www.snipercountry.com/Article...BreakIn_II.asp

And a decent article on how they actually make barrels http://www.firearmsid.com/Feature%20...anufacture.htm

[Kaituna]

It'll be enough for us to get Philip Alpers piping up from across the pond with his usual anti-gun gay whining.[/QUOTE]

I Fucken Hate phliphead alpers..... Cock.

[Indiana_Jones]

I feel sorry for the poor bastard who got shot, but yea, just because a few are dangerous/immature with a weapon, we all have to suffer

I reckon they'll move to ban air guns unless you're licenced and/or restrict the power.

-Indy

[hospitalfood]

i don't mind p heads having high power air rifles.
as long as i have my .270 bolt action and my semi .223.
shame that the cop died, hassle for all of us.

[Mr Merde]

......
I reckon they'll move to ban air guns unless you're licenced and/or restrict the power.

-Indy

Yep, another inroad into people control sould be expected.

It is election time now and the politicos are looking for anything that will stir emotions and make them more visible to the general populace. Lets face it, gun ownership is a very emotive subject, both to pro and con lobbies are extemely emotive in thier beliefs.

I know I am.

To the great and silent majority we are only one step further along from the caveman. All they see is what they get from the media and politiboro and have been conditioned for years to believe everything they are spoonfed.

Ultimately a gun is only a tool. It can be used for both reasonable purposes (hunting, sport, defence etc) or for wrong purposes (criminal acts, intimidation, murder etc). All of this has absolutely nothing to do with the gun and everything to do with the person controlling it.

To combat the later behaviour the POWERS THAT RULE US find it suits their purpose (re election) to try and ban the tool rather than stop those who would misuse it. Unfortunately it is always to the detriment of those who use the tool for the former purpose.

Watch these people now pull out of somewhere the number of air rifles used in crime, the number of crims who have had them in their posession, the suddenly mystical power of these silent and deadly weapons (did you know that during the Napoleonic Wars there was an edict from Napoleon that any enemy caught with an air rifle was to be executed on the spot as they were unfair weapons).

There is a potitico in Aussie trying to get side by side shotguns banned because the second barrel is AUTOMATICALLY ready to fire so therefore it is an automatic weapon.Dont laugh this is serious stuff. Misinformation is the trade in stock of all the antis.

Sarah Brady and Teddy Kenedy, both strong anti gun persons, both have armed bodyguards to protect them

Hypocracy

[Wolf]

Lets face it, gun ownership is a very emotive subject, both to pro and con lobbies are extemely emotive in thier beliefs.

I know I am.

Likewise. Especially when it comes down to the lies and hypocrisy the anti-gun camp use - the post-Aramoana fiasco with that slimy little politician bald-faced lying that you can buy fully-automatic weapons over the counter without a licence being a case in point, likewise, as you pointed out, the high use of armed bodyguards by politicians - which is all the more hypocritical as the only reason a bodyguard carries a firearm is so they can (if the situation warrants) use lethal force against a human being. They're not carrying firearms for decoration or for purposes of sport or for non-lethal use (they have access to batons, tasers and pepper spray as non-lethal weapons), they are carrying the firearms so that they can kill another human to protect the mealy-mouthed bottom-feeder that is spouting on about "firearm controls".

I have no problem with Personal Protection Specialists, nor with them carrying a firearm to use if the situation cannot be resolved by non-lethal means.

The problem I have is with those spouting out "Firearms are evil" crap then hiding behind armed bodyguards every time they venture outdoors. If firearms are so fucking evil, then the anti-gun politicos need to put their money where their mouths are and venture abroad protected by purely non-lethal means.

The problem I have is with grandstanders fronting up in parliament brandishing a semiauto, describing it as an "automatic weapon" and blathering on how they "bought it over the counter" when the only way to legally purchase such a firearm is upon the presentation of a valid firearms licence (Cat A back then) which requires a police background check, the attendance of a safety course and the passing of a test.

The main problem I have is how much of a complete and utter mentally-retarded sheep the average New Zealander is to believe all the shit that the professional liars spout out and how incapable they are of recognising the truth when it is told.

Sadly, we live in a nation with a clear majority of morons who blindly believe whatever the paid talking heads tell them to believe so we have the government they want.

[scumdog]

Like tougher laws on air-weapons would stop the twats that shot the cop from having/using one??

"I don't think so Tim"

[Wolf]

Like tougher laws on air-weapons would stop the twats that shot the cop from having/using one??

"I don't think so Tim"

But, but, but, the tough laws on the possession of pistols stop the gangs from having them, don't they?

[/airhead]

[Swoop]

I have no problem with Personal Protection Specialists, nor with them carrying a firearm to use if the situation cannot be resolved by non-lethal means.

Whoever took this photo, was in the right place at the right time!

[Swoop]

Right.

Over the years, I have put a shitload of lead downrange.
I have done the business on countless targets, of all descriptions, be they paper, cardboard, steel, wood, plastic or "reactive".

Today one smarmy, clever-dick, bastard got revenge for itself and all of his mates.
The fu*ker!

Standing on the range and a gust of wind lifts up a cardboard D1 target (unused) which then proceeds to fly about 3-4 metres and smack me between the eyes... edge on!

Motherf*cker!!