The firearm thread

[scumdog]

Well I wouldn't be using a plastic fantastic pistol , much prefer a P226, and I can fire without removing the pistol from my holster...... accurately no..... but by the time I am firing you are rather close.

Gimme the Glock - lotsa bullets and no safeties or hammers etc to worry about.

Slam in a full mag, rack it and go..

[Monamie]

So you think a 1911 may be overdoing things just a little?

Just a little...and you have to wait until next week to see what happens in House:

[sAsLEX]

Gimme the Glock - lotsa bullets and no safeties or hammers etc to worry about.

Slam in a full mag, rack it and go..

Umm no safety on the Sig either, and nicer to shoot, just a slightly heavy first pull then back to a nice light trigger.

[jrandom]

So you think a 1911 may be overdoing things just a little?

Your 1911 obsession indicates that you really have been recently exposed to Murkn sensibilities.

Newsflash: It's called a '1911' because the design is 97 years old...

[sAsLEX]

Newsflash: It's called a '1911' because the design is 97 years old...

If it aint broke......


The Browning .50 cal is how old (87 years)? And have you seen a viable replacement ? Why not?

And its used by 43 odd countries.

[Hitcher]

Your 1911 obsession indicates that you really have been recently exposed to Murkn sensibilities.

Newsflash: It's called a '1911' because the design is 97 years old...

Style never dates. The 1911 Platinum Elite is in a class of its own. The workmanship is exemplary.

[Indiana_Jones]

My Nagant design is from 1891.

Still a good design

-Indy

[jrandom]

The Browning .50 cal is how old (87 years)?

I ain't falling for your strawman argument thingy; I never said Ma Deuce was broke.

I just implied that there are superior pistol designs to the 1911.

The hallmark of a good design, IMHO, is that each unit doesn't require thousands of dollars worth of precision manufacturing and/or post-purchase gunsmithing to work perfectly...

[jrandom]

The workmanship is exemplary.

Precisely. My point is that a 1911 just doesn't work as well as more modern pistols, which can be produced far more efficiently, unless that is the case.

[jrandom]

My Nagant design is from 1891.

Still a good design

Apart from the rimmed cartridges.

[Hitcher]

Precisely. My point is that a 1911 just doesn't work as well as more modern pistols, which can be produced far more efficiently, unless that is the case.

I guess 1911s (not Sigs) wouldn't still be the US Marine Corp's weapon of choice if that wasn't the case.

[sAsLEX]

I guess 1911s (not Sigs) wouldn't still be the US Marine Corp's weapon of choice if that wasn't the case.

I see its only the MEU that get this and the standard get the M9.....

[jrandom]

I guess 1911s (not Sigs) wouldn't still be the US Marine Corp's weapon of choice if that wasn't the case.

As Alex said, if anyone has it, it's just the MEUs. Although Tom Clancy, in Marine (which, being the redneck I am, happened to be sitting on the coffee table as I wrote this post) seems to think that the MEUs carry M9s just like everyone else, and the MEU (SOC) 1911A1 is issued as a 'backup weapon to recon units equipped with the MP5-N'. The Corps only maintains an inventory of 500 of them. In other words, it's not used as a standard sidearm.

However, I'd point you to the Murkn LEOs as a more relevant example. They actually have to rely on their sidearms to a far greater extent than the armed forces, and don't have the luxury of having a piece of sentimental memorabilia in their holsters or being able to spec $4,000 pistols for everybody, like some special forces units.

And I bet you can't find me a single PD that issues 1911s...

[scumdog]

And I bet you can't find me a single PD that issues 1911s...

A lot use 10mm Glocks, other favourite choice is 40cal of any breed.

[jrandom]

A lot use 10mm Glocks, other favourite choice is 40cal of any breed.

I was under the impression that the 10 was kinda dying out after the Feds decided, back in the day, that their shiny new S&W 10mm autos were too much for little girly hands, which more or less killed its raison d'être. I guess Glock can resurrect a calibre just by issuing a pistol chambered in it eh!

But, yes, the .40 seems to be the new LEO calibre du jour. And if their military wasn't restrained to NATO standards, one suspects it would have been chosen over the 9mm for the 1911's replacement. It's plainly superior.