The firearm thread

**ManDownUnder** · 6th January 2009, 17:40

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Tell me about your handloads?

Batch 1, 20 rounds
Primer unknown (came with the brass purchased)
Powder ADI AR2209 57.0gr
Projectile Hornady SSPT 130gr
Case Winchester
COAL 2.785"
Date loaded 2/11/08

**ManDownUnder** · 7th January 2009, 15:55

Norinco JW87's. New but with imperfect finish on them.

Single shot, lead shot only. Be a fun starter gun but might kick a bit if they're too light. I have no idea how these things rate but I saw them on Tardme and though I might raise general awareness. I'm in Auckland and can pick up and hold one for anyone wanting them (payment ahead of time of course...)

It gives me an excuse to saunter around the toy shop

**Mr Merde** · 8th January 2009, 07:44

Last Monday, Doc dropped off the book he so very kindly offered to loan to me.

"How to build your own Flintlock Rifle or Pistol"

Needless to say I have found it facinating.

Not a lot of actuall reading but just pouring over the drawings is enough for me.

Paul, thanks very much.

Chris

**Wolf** · 8th January 2009, 08:01

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Last Monday, Doc dropped off the book he so very kindly offered to loan to me.

"How to build your own Flintlock Rifle or Pistol"

Needless to say I have found it facinating.

Not a lot of actuall reading but just pouring over the drawings is enough for me.

Paul, thanks very much.

Chris

Author, publisher and ISBN please, that sounds like something I'd like to own.

**Mr Merde** · 8th January 2009, 08:10

Originally Posted by Wolf

Author, publisher and ISBN please, that sounds like something I'd like to own.

"How to build your own flintlock-rifleor pistol"

Jolex Publication

Edited by George lauber.

Will get the ISBN when I get home.

Has abot 20 pages of instructions and then just drawings. Most to scale.

Fascinating.

Goes really well with a video I have on building a Kentucky rifle, and about 5 other videos of this ilk.

**Wolf** · 8th January 2009, 09:04

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

"How to build your own flintlock-rifleor pistol"

Jolex Publication

Edited by George lauber.

Will get the ISBN when I get home.

Has abot 20 pages of instructions and then just drawings. Most to scale.

Fascinating.

Goes really well with a video I have on building a Kentucky rifle, and about 5 other videos of this ilk.

Found it, thanks. A number of copies from various on-line shops

**Mr Merde** · 8th January 2009, 09:15

Originally Posted by Wolf

Found it, thanks. A number of copies from various on-line shops

I'll have to figure out a way to get all these videos copied from tape to disc.

They are very instructional and well presented.

You can have a copy when I can do this.

Any one else interested, let me know.

Engraving, gunstock carving, rifle making, powder horn making, etc.

All old style stuff.

Chris

**Wolf** · 8th January 2009, 09:50

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

I'll have to figure out a way to get all these videos copied from tape to disc.

You could probably do it yourself if you had a TV-tuner card for your computer - hook the VHS up to the card's RF-in, play the video while you record to hard disc using the software, then burn the resultant file to disc.

**ManDownUnder** · 8th January 2009, 14:10

So my 270 WSM delivers 3200 ft.lbs of energy at the muzzle (for a given projectile at a given speed)

So given that:
1) a foot pound is "One foot-pound force is the amount of energy expended when a force of one pound acts through a distance of one foot along the direction of the force" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_pounds)

and
2) Every force has an equal and opposite...

Why doesn't the launch of a projectile with 3200 ft lbs of energy simply remove my right arm at the shoulder?

... no - I don't have the answer - this is no trick - it came up here at work and I'm wondering...!

**Mr Merde** · 8th January 2009, 14:24

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

So my 270 WSM delivers 3200 ft.lbs of energy at the muzzle (for a given projectile at a given speed)

So given that:
1) a foot pound is "One foot-pound force is the amount of energy expended when a force of one pound acts through a distance of one foot along the direction of the force" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foot_pounds)

and
2) Every force has an equal and opposite...

Why doesn't the launch of a projectile with 3200 ft lbs of energy simply remove my right arm at the shoulder?

... no - I don't have the answer - this is no trick - it came up here at work and I'm wondering...!

Not all of that energy is being directly pushed back into your shoulder. The gasses from the cartridge do not escape in the reverse direction, also if you look at the design of the stock you will see that the shape of such again disperses the energy in a direction other than the reverse of the bullets flight.

There is an outwards expansion in the barrel beit very tiny, and also the barrel does not stay as a straight rod. It actually deforms in a wave pattern of oscilations.

Exterior balistics is a minefield of mathematical calculations.

I have a video at home called "Deadly Weapons"

In it the presenter dons a bullet proof vest and takes a shot from a 7.62 x 51 round from a G3 full in the solar plexus at a distance of 3 fwwt from the muzzle.

A bullet weighing 175 gn at a velocity of 28oofps at a little over a metre.

To add to the scene he is balancing on one foot.

By your logic and according to the movies he should be thown aside by the impact but quite the reverse is true.

He just stands there.

Did you know that an object like a bullet needs to be travelling at a velocity of something like 400fps to penetrate human skin.

Hope this has confused you even more.

Chris

**ManDownUnder** · 8th January 2009, 14:28

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Hope this has confused you even more.

Chris

Would it be improper to swear at you now - or should i save it for a face to face meeting?

LOL... thanks - I think...

... I need my "WTF" stamp...

**Mr Merde** · 8th January 2009, 14:35

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Would it be improper to swear at you now - or should i save it for a face to face meeting?

LOL... thanks - I think...

... I need my "WTF" stamp...

I'll take all the abuse you can throw at me, written, oral or in gesture. Here on KB or face to face.

Sure beats "self abuse" does it not.

I sure like to obfuscate the issue

**ManDownUnder** · 8th January 2009, 14:40

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Sure beats "self abuse" does it not.

Nothing wrong with onanism! Just ask any married man!

**Mr Merde** · 8th January 2009, 14:47

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Nothing wrong with onanism! Just ask any married man!

Ah the "Art of Onan" didnt Mark Twain write a book on that facinating subject?

For you reading pleasure and to further you education and confusion into the dark art of reloading.

http://http://www.exteriorballistics.com/index.cfm

**Indiana_Jones** · 11th January 2009, 13:41

Serious shooters in Penrose has a few M44 Mosin-Nagants in stock at $250 a pop.

They also mentioned they are getting a shipment of 91/30 Nagants which are 'sniper copies' i.e. they have fake side mounts and fake PU scopes, but look the bit, no idea on the price yet though, but would be cheaper then Gun city's $599 for a 91/30 I saw on tardme

-Indy