The firearm thread

[Drunken Monkey]

Switzerland is an interesting case. A few minutes googling statistics seems to indicate deaths involving guns is still relatively high, but specifically gun crime is relatively low. It seems a high proportion of deaths by gun in Switzerland are suicides, not murders. So strictly speaking, it's still relatively safe given the massive availbility of firearms. Gun control advocates would argue that's still a valid reason for control; I would see it as no different to banning bridges to prevent suicide.

[Brett]

Wonder if any of you can help me, I am looking to bring over a few guns from South Africa. I know I need a permit to import from the arms officer, the bit I am trying to work through, is the best way to physically get them from South Africa to NZ. Courier - if so what is the deal with weapons being couriered? DO I need to arrange anything with the aircraft company in terms of paperwork etc? Any ideas?

[Indiana_Jones]

Wonder if any of you can help me, I am looking to bring over a few guns from South Africa. I know I need a permit to import from the arms officer, the bit I am trying to work through, is the best way to physically get them from South Africa to NZ. Courier - if so what is the deal with weapons being couriered? DO I need to arrange anything with the aircraft company in terms of paperwork etc? Any ideas?

I don't think anything super special needs to be done, obviously you would need to declare it etc.

As long as there's no ammo in it, it's just a club. gets stuck in the cargo.

Best you ring up a few companies and see what the deal is.

EDIT: What sort of guns?

-Indy

[Swoop]

Wonder if any of you can help me, I am looking to bring over a few guns from South Africa. I know I need a permit to import from the arms officer, the bit I am trying to work through, is the best way to physically get them from South Africa to NZ. Courier - if so what is the deal with weapons being couriered? DO I need to arrange anything with the aircraft company in terms of paperwork etc? Any ideas?

A very dodgy area to get into.
Some countries will not even allow your shipment to overfly into their airspace!!!
Talk to someone with good knowledge regarding doing this. A licenced arms dealer would be a starting point. Your local arms officer would be another.

[Winston001]

Switzerland is an interesting case. A few minutes googling statistics seems to indicate deaths involving guns is still relatively high, but specifically gun crime is relatively low. It seems a high proportion of deaths by gun in Switzerland are suicides, not murders. So strictly speaking, it's still relatively safe given the massive availbility of firearms. Gun control advocates would argue that's still a valid reason for control; I would see it as no different to banning bridges to prevent suicide.

Mmm.....so Maxime is feeling depressed cos Emilie dumped him, knocking back the lager, he reaches into a drawer and pulls out a bridge......

No disrespect, but as for the canard that Switzerland is a Pollyanna paradise of gun-huggers who only take them to church on Sundays -


Switzerland: Opponents of gun control often use Switzerland as evidence that access to guns is not linked to crime or violence. They argue that since virtually all adult males are members of the army and have military weapons, there is nearly universal access to deadly weapons yet few gun-related problems in Switzerland.

However, Swiss criminologist Martin Killias, of the Université de Lausanne, argues that the rate of households with firearms is actually comparable to that of Canada (27.2%). There is strict screening of army officers and ammunition is stored in sealed boxes and inspected regularly.

Despite these controls, Switzerland has rates of gun suicide second only to the US among the countries Killias surveyed and a gun murder rate comparable to Canada's.

[Wolf]

And this is the reason why politics need to be left out of this thread.

Damn, this asbestos suit chafes something fierce!

[Winston001]

Don't get me wrong guys, I'd love to own a collection of guns. 45s, 22s, 9mm etc AK47, M4, Garand etc etc.



Its just that I don't want you to own any. I can trust myself not to go on a rampage or commit murder when I'm a tad annoyed, but youse guys......well, ask yourselves. I mean, no unkindness intended, but there are some people here who shouldn't be in control of a motorcycle never mind a firearm.

[NOWOOL]

A popular thread on my SV site, so will try it here. Let me know if I missed any options in the poll.

This is just for talking about firearms, not the rights and wrongs of firearm ownership.

Anyone know who the NZ browning importer is? I need an extractor spring for an auto-22.

it would be cheaper to order it overseas GPC is the largest source of parts and they are dirt cheap. http://www.gunpartscorp.com/

[Wolf]

Don't get me wrong guys, I'd love to own a collection of guns. 45s, 22s, 9mm etc AK47, M4, Garand etc etc.

Its just that I don't want you to own any. I can trust myself not to go on a rampage or commit murder when I'm a tad annoyed, but youse guys......well, ask yourselves. I mean, no unkindness intended, but there are some people here who shouldn't be in control of a motorcycle never mind a firearm.

Are you sure you're not a politician or a police commissioner?

[Indiana_Jones]

And this is the reason why politics need to be left out of this thread.

Thank you!

So, gonna come to the new rnage when Chris gives us the green light?

-Indy

[Wolf]

Thank you!

So, gonna come to the new rnage when Chris gives us the green light?

-Indy

Yep! Really excited about it.

[Winston001]

Are you sure you're not a politician or a police commissioner?

Dang - busted. Not!


Anyway my bad, no politics, I withdraw mumbling and shall look for a stoush somewhere else......sob. Hell it wasn't even a 5 minute argument.....

[Winston001]

And I walked in, I sat down, they gave me a piece of paper that said: "Kid, see the psychiatrist in room 604."


I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I wanna kill. I wanna kill! I wanna see blood and gore and guts and veins in my teeth! Eat dead, burnt bodies! I mean: Kill. Kill!"


And I started jumpin' up and down, yellin' "KILL! KILL!" and he started jumpin' up and down with me, and we was both jumpin' up and down, yellin', "KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL!" and the sergeant came over, pinned a medal on me, sent me down the hall, said "You're our boy"......

[Wolf]

Hell it wasn't even a 5 minute argument.....

Yes it was...

[Mr Merde]

I am tired !

Exhausted may better describe my current condition.

I am approaching middle age (53 yo in NOV).

I have been shooting firearms since the day I was 13 and my father introduced me to the Deerstalkers Assn in Ardmore with the instructions to them of "my son wants to shoot, teach him correctly".

I have shot every sort of firearm I could lay my hands on. I have shot competitively, actively and at other times just for fun (plinking).

I have been involved heavily in working for the right of persons such as myself to enjoy their chosen sport. (Did you know that pistol shooting was one of the originsal 6 disciplines of the modern olympic movement?).

After all these years i stiil find I am pasionate about my "CHOSEN SPORT".

What tires me is having to defend myself from those who would remove that right in some misbegotten belief that the world would be better off without people like me.

Firearms are dangerous.

Bollocks

People are dangerous. I proved this once by placing a .45 ACP pistol on a table in front of an avid anti gun advocate. Sha sat there looking at it until she asked me what i was doing. I replied that I was waiting for the pistol to jump up and shoot her. I saw the light go on. She suddenly understood that it was the person behind the gun that was dangerous. I took great pleasure in standing reference for her when she obtained her own firearms licence and helped her pick out a Sig 230 as her chosen pistol.

unfortunately this world is now run bhy those who look to blame. Nothing now is a matter of personal responsibility, its always the fault of someone or something else.

In the times of stress and danger we are the persons that are in demand. We are of value when someones right to blame is threatened. Afterwards we are the leppars of society.

Maybe I have the instiuncts of a caveman! Maybe I am an annachronism. Maybe I am someone who is capable of great violence.

But maybe I am someone who lives by their own personal beliefs not a collective diatribe. Maybe the caveman in me should be let be.

I know i have probably said all this before but every now and then I need to remind people that diversification is a good thing and sometimes the warrior type of person is needed.

Chris