The firearm thread

[ManDownUnder]

Making extra rules and regulations to keep themselves "gainfully employed"...

Speaking of gameful employment, one of the issues raised in ERMA's paper (in my post above) is the typical cost of replacing someone that would lose their job due to being ineligible for the license.

... I thought that was an interesting perspective considering the economic contraction we're suffering through at the moment. Theyr'e worried about the cost to employers of replacing staff... but I didn't see any mention at all of people losing their livelihood.

On the flip side - how much carnage does the availability of these substances actually cause? I noted before that license will only be needed for amounts of 50kgs or more of single, double or triple base propellant... that's a shitload of propellant!

Dare I say - this could actually be a good thing in some ways?

[Swoop]

Dare I say - this could actually be a good thing in some ways?

I was reading the first part as "the licence holder"... will be able to purchase cyanide, etc as these are also controlled areas.

Imagine. Cyanide, explosives and reloading.
and they want to reduce terrorism?

[ManDownUnder]

I was reading the first part as "the licence holder"... will be able to purchase cyanide, etc as these are also controlled areas.

Imagine. Cyanide, explosives and reloading.
and they want to reduce terrorism?

Fair call although I expect the license would have classes... one for poisons, one for explosives ... etc...

...surely they're not that dumb...

[Mr Merde]

...
Dare I say - this could actually be a good thing in some ways?

I dont know.

They have found another route, other than going to parliament and having laws put in place or ammended, to restrict the shooting sports.

If this passes it will be a very easy matter to drop the ammounts allowed until it is a real burden to the shooter\reloader.

As to Black Powder. My mates in ther UK have to have a licence to purchase, a licence to store and a licence to transport the stuff.

Thats 3 licences needed on top of the firearms licence.

Do we want to follow down this road?
Do we need more restrictions placed upon us?

In 1996, whilst living in the UK, I saw the police and the government bring in new laws and regulations to inhibit the shooting sports.

They used the method of divide and conquer. All the different disciplines thought that the new regulations were not going to affect them so they didnt bother fighting them. In the end shooting in total took a massive blow and the spoort of pistol shooting almost completely disappeared.

If we dont support the reloaders and stop the encroachment by the police on this activity, who knows what will be next.

All lead bullets banned (dont laugh as this is law in the PRK {Peoples Republic of Kalifornia})

Chris

[Swoop]

...surely they're not that dumb...

You cannot honestly ask that question when referring to our public servants???

[ManDownUnder]

If we dont support the reloaders and stop the encroachment by the police on this activity, who knows what will be next.

OK that one I can answer. The black market gets another substance to profit off.

The sad thing is anyone that knows their stuf can make explosives out of damned near anything.

A certain gent who knows about such things brought the point home to me a while back by taking a cursary look in my laundry and kitchen and confirmed he'd be able to level a good part of the house with what he'd just found when combined with other freely available goodies.

What does that tell you? The law abiding get restrictions placed on them which will prevent morons from doing dastardly things. Those in the know will continue to do so, and with the same devastating effect they always have.

Next steps, ban propane bottles, diesel sales, bleech sales... etc. You get the idea.

[Wolf]

They used the method of divide and conquer. All the different disciplines thought that the new regulations were not going to affect them so they didnt bother fighting them. In the end shooting in total took a massive blow and the spoort of pistol shooting almost completely disappeared.

" ...they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;

And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;

And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;

And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."

[ManDownUnder]

You cannot honestly ask that question when referring to our public servants???

I can't... and I didn't. Never under estimate the blindness that unquestioned power induces.

Exhibit A George W Bush
Exhibit B Kim Jong Ill
Exhibit C Mr China (whoever the hell that is)
... etc...

No - I don't underestimate the deformed ability of the grey suits

[Swoop]

A certain gent who knows about such things...

I wonder who that could have been...

[ManDownUnder]

I wonder who that could have been...

Leave the Marines out of this!

[Indiana_Jones]

Give them an inch and they'll take a foot.

-Indy

[sAsLEX]

No.
You cannot purchase loaded ammunition, but you can purchase all of the components seperately and roll your own.

So would something simple that would appease the stupid public is change tihs so you simply have to produce your firearms license to purchase the powder?

Dare I say - this could actually be a good thing in some ways?

How much gunpowder did Timoth McVeigh use?

[Swoop]

So would something simple that would appease the stupid public is change tihs so you simply have to produce your firearms license to purchase the powder?

I do not think appeasing "the public" or anyone else, is the issue. The public do not care as there isn't an issue for the public servants to get their collective tits in a tangle over.

[Indiana_Jones]

They have found another route, other than going to parliament and having laws put in place or ammended, to restrict the shooting sports.

If this passes it will be a very easy matter to drop the ammounts allowed until it is a real burden to the shooter\reloader.

This is what worries me.

-Indy

[Mr Merde]

..... so you simply have to produce your firearms license to purchase the powder?




...

They are trying to make it that we have to obtain another licence at another cost to ourselves so that we can produce our own ammunition.

They have even used the words "fit and proper" but given no definition of what this means. You may be fit and proper to have a firearms certificate but not to produce your own ammo.

Next there will be security conditions brought in, as has been done in the UK, regulatiing where ans how you must store the components. Or, as in the UK also, how much loaded ammo you are allowed to purchase, produce and hold at any one time.