The firearm thread

**Mr Merde** · 20th June 2009, 15:20

Just rerading a US gun mag.

US military has decided upon the .300 Winchester Magnum for thier sniper rifles as it will reach out to 1200 yards.

They originally were looking at .338 Laupa biut the extra weight in the barrel made the firearm too heavy.

They have ordered 38.5 million rounds of .300WM for their snipers.

Thats a shit load of ammo

The sniper rifle weighs in at 17 lbs

**wbks** · 20th June 2009, 15:24

So theres no real strict set of rules about hunting? Just ask around where a good place to look is and get a perm(it) and go out there with some company?

**The Pastor** · 20th June 2009, 16:37

Originally Posted by wbks

So theres no real strict set of rules about hunting? Just ask around where a good place to look is and get a perm(it) and go out there with some company?

yeah mate, just dont be a dick.

tell some where you're going and when you'll be back, take a good day pack (food water map rope rubber matches wistle compass gps)

invest in a good gps, so you can track where you have been and any good places.

I marked a good spot once, came back during the roar and i'll be damed if i could make it back to that spot haha, dunno how we did it the first time but the ground was damn near impossable to walk through!

**Indiana_Jones** · 20th June 2009, 16:39

Originally Posted by renegade master

dunno how we did it the first time but the ground was damn near impossable to walk through!

Noooooooo don't remind me about the black berry bushes!

lol

-Indy

**wbks** · 20th June 2009, 16:44

Ok. There doesn't seem to be a hell of a lot of info on it so I just wanted to make sure there isn't some unspoken hunters rule I might end up breaking...

**The Pastor** · 20th June 2009, 17:00

the rules are

always have your rifle loaded around the campsite.

drink lots and lots of beer

point your rilfe at anyone you dont know

take coke instead of water

wear singlet stubbies and jandles in the bush!

**geoffm** · 20th June 2009, 17:02

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

I struggle to see the actual difference a free standing pistol grip makes in the real world?

What would a criminal gain using a rifle with a free standing pistol grip vs a standard stock? It could be the same receiver and barrel, with the same accuracy and rate of fire...

"First they came for the military style guns, but I did not protest, because I did not have an MSSA ..."

According to the Thorp report, having a pistol grip helps when firing from the hip, and this is why they are dangerous and should be banned. I kid you not - the report is online at http://www.police.govt.nz/resources/...ew-zealand.pdf
A couple of obvious things - Thorp was a moron who did not understand guns and criminals but was desperate to find a reason that would let his political masters achieve their objectives, and obviously had never seen The Duke in a Saturday western with a 1873 lever action Winchester...
Geoff

**sAsLEX** · 20th June 2009, 17:15

Originally Posted by geoffm

"First they came for the military style guns, but I did not protest, because I did not have an MSSA ..."

According to the Thorp report, having a pistol grip helps when firing from the hip, and this is why they are dangerous and should be banned. I kid you not - the report is online at http://www.police.govt.nz/resources/...ew-zealand.pdf
A couple of obvious things - Thorp was a moron who did not understand guns and criminals but was desperate to find a reason that would let his political masters achieve their objectives, and obviously had never seen The Duke in a Saturday western with a 1873 lever action Winchester...
Geoff

Yeah I reckon my 38-40 would out hip shoot any stupid pistol gripped piece of crap, and I think they may have watched a bit much TV....

There is a sign at the USMC sniper school that reads "The average rounds expended per kill with
the M16 in Vietnam was 50,000. Snipers averaged 1.3 rounds. The cost difference was $2300
v. 27 cents."

Who cares about loose hip shots?

**Delerium** · 20th June 2009, 21:00

Originally Posted by crash harry

What about thumbhole stocks, are they affected?
Nice of them to tell us - are we supposed to just find out by the somehow method?
I could be breaking the law and not even know it

YES!!! Thumbhole stocks will now be E cat. This is what the stupidty of this 'change in policy' is all about

ouch · 20th June 2009, 21:35

Originally Posted by Delerium

YES!!! Thumbhole stocks will now be E cat. This is what the stupidty of this 'change in policy' is all about

http://www.nzrimfire.com/viewtopic.p...be266b0438d2e2 has pictures of the new "what is not allowed" by people who obay the law, must be a great way to catch the crims with no FALicence and make them hand in their rifles that are EVIL!

EVIL people who go over 112 km/hr bend over and pay, now if you got a EVIL stock bend over and pay (magically maaking the stock SAFE), unless you want to be a crim.

Almost getting to the point that all affected owners should just tell them (Govt/cops) to get stuffed? Oh Noes can't do that eh?

**sAsLEX** · 20th June 2009, 22:37

Bugger was just looking at one of the Ruger 10/22 with the funky new stock design..... I must be a criminal at heart.

That on a 22 no requires an E cat? Who the fuck lets these people make the law.

**Delerium** · 20th June 2009, 23:03

its not new law. Its the cops interpretation of the law. It will take some poor schmuck to be charged and for it to be dismissed for this shite to go away. Its the start of registration. registration leads to confiscation.

ouch · 20th June 2009, 23:23

Originally Posted by Delerium

its not new law. Its the cops interpretation of the law. It will take some poor schmuck to be charged and for it to be dismissed for this shite to go away. Its the start of registration. registration leads to confiscation.

Yeap, It has been fine for 17-18 years now, the police f up and someone (in this case a Police Officer, so sad for his family and friends) ends up dead, before this the Police rejected registration instead opting for our very good gun laws (IMHO the best system in use world wide). Look to Aussie to see what is going to happen here.

By the way I think Front Line Police do a darn great job

Trad me auction here:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Hunt...-224734010.htm
Ruger Mini 14 Choate Dragunov Stock (Gun City)
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Hey there, how soon till this will be E cat only? johnnyboy (135 ) 1:05 pm, Thu 18 Jun
Not sure check with your arms officer. Thanks TT 3:21 pm, Thu 18 Jun
Seller Comment: We ship every week day. Please get your orders in early to ensure delivery on time. Payments made by ASB bank reach us the fastest. Credit card and Pay Now payments reach us the same day. Team Gun City 12:35 pm, Fri 19 Jun
The Arms Act has been altered and this is a E Cat stock now cath100 (163 ) 8:02 pm, Sat 20 Jun
You are demonstrating an embarrassing ignorance and poking your nose in where you should not. The Arms Act has not been altered but you have been Blacklisted. David 8:19 pm, Sat 20 Jun
Actually the last person is correct. The Provisions of the Arms Act 1983 were altered and applied 1st June 2009 by Superintendent A W McLeod National Operations, NZ Police. One of those alterations were that Dragunov stocks are now E Cat nzprecision (1 ) 9:03 pm, Sat 20 Jun
Welcome to the blacklist too. The police cannot change law and this is not the place to waste my time with error or fear. DT 10:14 pm, Sat 20 Jun
But so that you are clear on the new restrictions, I'll send your AO a copy of your reply so he can explain it to you. Your black listed too nzprecision (1 ) 9:05 pm, Sat 20 Jun
Do I smell pork? 10:17 pm, Sat 20 Jun

Trademe have pulled all Dragunov E Cat auctions APART FROM Gun City (and 1 marlin tube feed semi-auto) who said that Trademe are only interested in profit?

ouch · 20th June 2009, 23:36

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

That on a 22 no requires an E cat? Who the fuck lets these people make the law.

WE DO.

These are the people to email and voice your concern:

COLFO Chairman : john@colfo.org.nz

ACT Party : rodney.hide@act.org.nz

Police minister : office@judithcollins.co.nz

ouch · 21st June 2009, 11:55

Are sellers on trademe breaking the law yet there are still a few items that are now Evil being sold.

There it is, for anyone to see, the law being broken by people selling "E Cat" firearms to A Cat holders, in the open with details of the law breakers, if they are breaking the law, and if these rifles ARE now E Cat, or if it is all uninforceable BS. Come on if a pistol grip is so dangerous the Police must act at once, in every case, won't someone think of the children!

Not my auction.

The resistance has started:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Hunt...-225632567.htm

Ruger 10/22
Start price: $550.00 No reserve Closes: Sat 27 Jun, 10:37 am Listing #: 225632567 Starting bid: $Place Bid Auto-bid

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Ruger 10/22 s/s barrel i have owned this rifle for nearly three years there has been one owner before me .I have fired approx 200 to 250 rounds .The pervious owner shot a few rabbits with it .It has a bushnell 4x32 waterproof scope 2x rotary mags 2x eagle mags all being 10 round mags and gun bag and orignal stock. This is for trademe who withdrew this auction last night this is a A catagory rifle Gun City are selling the same rifles so why dont you withdraw there auction .Ihave rang your help number 6 times all i got was the discontected signal so how are you to get in contact with you.I wont my listing fee too be rembursed please.