The firearm thread

[jono035]

and fuck me, 3000 posts!

what a thread!

-Indy

Yep, maybe KB needs a firearms forum!

The H&K USC is a disappointment, that was one of the guns on my wish-list, they're expensive little buggers but they look amazing and a full-barrel suppressor on one would make them a pretty fun possuming gun... Then again once I have the cash for that I'd be in my own house anyway so would be able to get a bigger safe and an E-cat anyway...

Anyone ever seen any data on what a pistol grip actually does in terms of accuracy when shooting from the hip? I went and read the wikipedia article on David Gray and the Aramoana shooting and it was prominently noted that the police officer shot from the hip as Gray exited walked out of the house...

Surely any benefit to a free-standing pistol grip is already nullified by the fact that the rifle must be semi auto and have a magazine size limit?

[Swoop]

Have you heard of the term "Knee Jerk"?

Trying to make up for the fact they fucked up by not checking him after his FAL expired/was revoked.

Yup. They obviously knew where he lived, since Molenaar was being served a search warrant...

Another police cock-up where the law-abiding public get shafted from the after effects. Just like Dunblane... and Aramoana.

[Mr Merde]

....Another police cock-up where the law-abiding public get shafted from the after effects. Just like Dunblane.

Just like every piece of firearms legislation.

We the law abiding always gert the dirty end of the stick as we are by our very nature an easy target for those in power.

I am reading the report after the last firearms review (link further back) and NZ has reacted to all the UK changes in law. It has also reacted to events such as Dunblane. In what way does the tragedy of Dunblane or even Hungerford impact upon the NZ way of life that those in power feel we must have more restrictions placed upon ourselves to protect society.

None that I can see but it gives the anti's something else they can use as propaganda.

The ultimate aim of these groups and persons is not the safety of the population (as they profess it to be) but the control and domination of the population.

A state where you do as you are told , when you are told and how you are told by those who have an over inflated opinion of their own self importance.

We as sheep (myself included) just sit back and accept every control they thrust upon us.

We deserve to loose our sport.

Chris

[Swoop]

We deserve to loose our sport.

Hopefully not.
It does make me wonder why some of our governing bodies have chosen to cease funding COLFO at this time. The reasoning is that they have a rather decent nest-egg to fund a decent fight with. I chose to donate as an "additional" on our club membership renewal.
One never knows what the anti-gun idiots will come up with and when. Good on ya COLFO!

[jono035]

Hopefully not.
It does make me wonder why some of our governing bodies have chosen to cease funding COLFO at this time. The reasoning is that they have a rather decent nest-egg to fund a decent fight with. I chose to donate as an "additional" on our club membership renewal.
One never knows what the anti-gun idiots will come up with and when. Good on ya COLFO!

I can't actually remember whether I chose to join COLFO when I last renewed my range membership... Didn't know what it was then, but have since been doing a little reading and will be joining if I haven't already...

[sAsLEX]

Surely any benefit to a free-standing pistol grip is already nullified by the fact that the rifle must be semi auto and have a magazine size limit?

I had a play with my 700 and 38-40.

The 700 has a pronounced pistol grip that allows a full hand pistol grip to be used and the rifle to be used as a assualt rifle.

The 38-40 has a very basic stock and can still be gripped like a pistol and fired easily with one hand.

What does "enabling the firearm to be used as an assault weapon " actually mean?

ps you wouldn't be able to hit a barn door with the 700 as it is rather heavy, the 38-40 would be easy as to fire off handed.

[jono035]

I had a play with my 700 and 38-40.

The 700 has a pronounced pistol grip that allows a full hand pistol grip to be used and the rifle to be used as a assualt rifle.

The 38-40 has a very basic stock and can still be gripped like a pistol and fired easily with one hand.

What does "enabling the firearm to be used as an assault weapon " actually mean?

ps you wouldn't be able to hit a barn door with the 700 as it is rather heavy, the 38-40 would be easy as to fire off handed.

Personally I think encouraging rambo-wannabes to use pistol-grip weapons and fire one-handed from the hip would probably be a positive effect on gun-safety

[wbks]

Any one have any hunting magazines they don't read and wouldn't mind giving away?

[sAsLEX]

Personally I think encouraging rambo-wannabes to use pistol-grip weapons and fire one-handed from the hip would probably be a positive effect on gun-safety

That is not the point of my post but meh, what it was trying to show was that having a pistol grip like the M16 isn't required to shoot from the hip or what ever "used as an assault weapon " means.

As this is what Superintendent A W McLeod is against.

[wbks]

Used as an assault weapon? So I take it he thinks "firing from the hip" is what soldiers do when using assault weapons like the Steyr?

[scumdog]

Yup. They obviously knew where he lived, since Molenaar was being served a search warrant...

Another police cock-up where the law-abiding public get shafted from the after effects. Just like Dunblane... and Aramoana.

Wind the clock back buddy - Molenaaars licence had expired yonks ago, a guy like him is not likely to hand in his f'arms and say "yeah, don't need 'em since my licence expired" is he? And he has no burden of proof to show what he DID do with any guns he had - oh wait, you would be happy if that was brought in?

I guess y'all would be happy with cops searching your house for guns ten minutes after your firearms licence expired eh?


Gee, I wonder who the first person that killed somebody while 'speeding' was, you know the one that caused the 'law-abiding public' to get shafted...and who the cops were that made the cock-up by not stopping them first?

But yeah, the Dunblame was a total cock-up by police and to a lesser extent Aramoana (Though peaceniks would screamed "Breach of civil rights" had the cops randomly raided Grays house because he was acting 'funny' I bet)

[jono035]

That is not the point of my post but meh, what it was trying to show was that having a pistol grip like the M16 isn't required to shoot from the hip or what ever "used as an assault weapon " means.

As this is what Superintendent A W McLeod is against.

Yeah, I followed you fine, was just making a joke... Guess I missed the mark a little

wbks - Yeah, I'm not really sure wtf the point is either, maybe they're worried about being confronted by someone with a gun at their hip and getting shot after assuming he wasn't ready to shoot? I'd say let us have our free-standing pistol grips and in that situation, shoot first...

[sAsLEX]

I guess y'all would be happy with cops searching your house for guns ten minutes after your firearms licence expired eh?

When did he loose his license?



Molenaar was a registered gun owner and collector, but failed to renew his licence in 2002.

oh ten minutes.....

[jono035]

Wind the clock back buddy - Molenaaars licence had expired yonks ago, a guy like him is not likely to hand in his f'arms and say "yeah, don't need 'em since my licence expired" is he? And he has no burden of proof to show what he DID do with any guns he had - oh wait, you would be happy if that was brought in?

I guess y'all would be happy with cops searching your house for guns ten minutes after your firearms licence expired eh?


Gee, I wonder who the first person that killed somebody while 'speeding' was, you know the one that caused the 'law-abiding public' to get shafted...and who the cops were that made the cock-up by not stopping them first?

But yeah, the Dunblame was a total cock-up by police and to a lesser extent Aramoana (Though peaceniks would screamed "Breach of civil rights" had the cops randomly raided Grays house because he was acting 'funny' I bet)

Yeah, very true scumdog... I think a lot of people are feeling some frustration over the random, out of the blue changes to firearms classification.

My problem is less with the points you mentioned are more along the side of what these changes are actually going to accomplish? I don't believe in penalising tens of thousands of gun owners for the sake of a cosmetic change that will not increase NZ gun safety...

[jono035]

When did he loose his license?



Molenaar was a registered gun owner and collector, but failed to renew his licence in 2002.

oh ten minutes.....

Searching his house probably wouldn't have done much anyway unless they had shown up unannounced with a warrant (possibly a good idea) but I'm sure people would have kicked up a pretty big stink about it. Who knows, maybe this situation would have happened on the day the police showed up to search his place rather than this year?

I don't think blaming anyone for this is constructive, although neither are knee-jerk cosmetic changes to firearms licensing that will have no effect on gun crime.