The firearm thread

[Indiana_Jones]

All this law change is going to do is cause a lot of guns to "disappear", nothing else

-Indy

[wbks]

Just thought I'd check if anyone has any older 243 upwards caliber rifles they don't use that wouldn't mind selling off that aren't on trademe?

[jono035]

Sorry guys, 9 years of Labour and too much 'personal freedom' have given us scenarios like Molenaars.

uhhh what? don't people around here usually pan Labour for encroaching upon personal freedom?

And personal freedom did this how? I shudder to think of what personal freedoms would have to be viciously encroached upon to prevent this incident which, while incredibly tragic, was still a single isolated incident touched off by someone who, by all accounts, was a complete loon.

[jono035]

All this law change is going to do is cause a lot of guns to "disappear", nothing else

-Indy

Yeah exactly, all of a sudden owning an unregistered E-cat rifle becomes situation normal... great?

[Wolf]

After finally getting to fire my SKS with aftermarket thumbhole stock at Chris' place, I was seriously considering going back to the original wooden stock - the cheek rest is too high for me to sight comfortably and I took a lot of recoil to the face because of it. Now it looks like my mind has been made up for me by the Superintendant - will have to go back to the original stock or shell out for a cat E licence.

What sucks is that now it will be hard to sell off the aftermarket stock and recupe some of what I paid for it.

[jono035]

After finally getting to fire my SKS with aftermarket thumbhole stock at Chris' place, I was seriously considering going back to the original wooden stock - the cheek rest is too high for me to sight comfortably and I took a lot of recoil to the face because of it. Now it looks like my mind has been made up for me by the Superintendant - will have to go back to the original stock or shell out for a cat E licence.

What sucks is that now it will be hard to sell off the aftermarket stock and recupe some of what I paid for it.

Well given that it turns your gun into an assault rifle, surely you can make a profit by selling it on the black market!

Bad luck though, higher rings or some sanding wouldn't help?

[scumdog]

Well given that it turns your gun into an assault rifle, surely you can make a profit by selling it on the black market!

Bad luck though, higher rings or some sanding wouldn't help?

And some careful filling-in of the lower part of the thumb-hole?

Just because it has a thumbhole stock does not automaticaly make it a cat E weapon.

[jono035]

And some careful filling-in of the lower part of the thumb-hole?

Just because it has a thumbhole stock does not automaticaly make it a cat E weapon.

'twas a joke, my good man.... I still haven't seen the wording on the changes, only the pic posted on the nzrimfire forums...

[sAsLEX]

And some careful filling-in of the lower part of the thumb-hole?

Just because it has a thumbhole stock does not automaticaly make it a cat E weapon.

Look at the top one. This is a purely thumb hole stock. Does not even meet the Superintendents requirements for a "full hand pistol grip" is in no way even close to being a "free standing pistol grip" and yet he has announced that from this day forward it is a MSSA.

[Wolf]

Well given that it turns your gun into an assault rifle, surely you can make a profit by selling it on the black market!

Bad luck though, higher rings or some sanding wouldn't help?

Well, I did try sanding a bit off my cheek but the blood started to get annoying and gummed up the action...

New rings wouldn't do much as it's the original iron sights and I'd need to hack a goodly amount off the stock as I had my head jammed hard against it and still had difficulty lining up the sights and my eye.

I'm not sure the original stock is any better - I have not compared the two (and never fired it with either stock until a few weeks back) - would have to put it back on to see.

Irony was that the only things I needed to do to make it cat A was remove the bayonet lug (which I did from the outset before the MSSA law anyway) and get the mag cut down as the SKS never had a freestanding pistol grip or a flash suppressor to begin with. Little did I know that at some future date someone was going to reinterpret my target stock as cat E...

I don't buy anything to do with "easier to shoot from the hip" or such (no evidence to support that - it's likely purely subjective) and put the entire thing down to knee-jerk reactions (well, someone's jerking something...) to guns that "just look fuckin' scary, OK?"

[Drunken Monkey]

Just thought I'd check if anyone has any older 243 upwards caliber rifles they don't use that wouldn't mind selling off that aren't on trademe?

I got a parker hale model 1200 m98 action in .243 I was thinking of trading up to a remington 700. How much you willing to spend?

[wbks]

Don't really want to spend anything more than what I can get a semi decent .303 for as I only really need it for starting hunting.

[Drunken Monkey]

PM me a ball park figure in $$$. If it's close, then I'll take a couple of pics and send them through with some contact details. I don't want to waste your time if I'm asking too much and I'm sure you don't want me to waste mine if you aren't to spend enough...(.303's on trademe go from $100 - $900 = that's a big range)

[Mr Merde]

The International Rifle Match Harper's Weekly, New York, Saturday, October 10, 1874
	No event in the sporting world has excited more general attention this season than the grand International Rifle Match at Creedmoor, Long Island, between the American and Irish "teams." The latter arrived in this city on the 16th of September, and since that time have occupied themselves in viewing the sights of the New World and preliminary practice at Creedmoor. The party includes Major Arthur Blennerhassett Leech, head of the Irish Rifle Association about ten years since, Mr. H.H. Foster, Honorary Secretary of the Association, Mr. John Rigby, the maker of the rifle the team are engaged in introducing, Dr. J.B. Hamilton, Mr. James Wilson, Mr. J.K. Milner, Mr. Edmund Johnson, and Captain P. Walker. The party were accompanied by the Lord Mayor of Dublin, who has come to this country to see the shooting at Creedmoor, and afterward to indulge in a few weeks' sport on the great plains of the West. We give above an illustration showing the last practice of the two teams at Creedmoor, two days before the match took place. The American team were Mr. Henry Fulton, Mr. H.A. Gildersleeve, Mr. T.S. Dakin, Mr. G.W. Yale, Colonel John Bodine, and Mr. L.L. Hepburn. Mr. Fulton is a Lieutenant in the Twelfth Regiment, is twenty-eight years old, and served in the army during the war. He won several prizes at Montreal at the last meeting of the Quebec Rifle Association, as did also Messrs. Gildersleeve and Yale. Mr. Gildersleeve is Lieutenant-Colonel of the Twelfth Regiment, is thirty-three years old, enlisted in the One Hundred and Fiftieth Regiment during the war, fought at Gettysburg, was with Sherman on his march to the sea, serving the latter part of the war as Provost Marshal of the Twentieth Army Corps. Mr. Dakin is a Brigadier-General in the New York militia, is forty-three years old, weighs 220 pounds, is a good shot, and has seen service during the war. Mr. Hepburn is forty-two years old, a gun-maker, employed in the rifle-works of E. Remington & Sons, Ilion, New York. Mr. Yale is also a gun-maker, and is superintendent of Sharp's rifle-works, Hartford, Connecticut. He is forty-eight years old. The two latter gentlemen have had great experience with rifles. Colonel Bodine lives in Highland, New Jersey. He is an old rifleman and a good shot. Mr. G.W. Wingate, who was chosen Captain of the team, is a lawyer, a Colonel in the militia, President of the Amateur Rifle Club, and has taken an active part in the rifle-shooting at Creedmoor. A beautiful silver cup which Captain Leech has brought over to present for competition to the riflemen of America is illustrated. It is a very graceful and artistic piece of workmanship, tastefully embossed, and surmounted by a representation of an ancient castle in ruin. It bears the following inscription:
	PRESENTED FOR COMPETITION TO THE RIFLEMEN OF AMERICA BY ARTHUR BLENNERHASSETT LEECH, CAPTAIN OF THE IRISH INTERNATIONAL TEAM OF RIFLEMEN, ON THE OCCASION OF THEIR VISIT TO NEW YORK, 1874
	The day appointed for the grand match, September 26, was every thing that could be desired, and the grounds at Creedmoor wore a gala-day appearance. From 8000 to 10,000 visitors were on the spot, and American and Irish flags were numerously displayed. The utmost good feeling prevailed during the entire contest. The shooting began at half past ten, at 800 yards, and was extraordinary for precision and for the evenness of skill displayed by the several members of the two teams. So well matched were the contestants that it was not decided which party would win until Colonel Bodine, of the American team, delivered the last shot, making a bull's-eye and winning for his party by three points. The following table shows the score of each team: TOTALS OF AMERICAN SCORES TOTALS OF IRISH SCORES Henry Fulton G.W. Yale John Bodine Colonel Gildersleeve L.L. Hepburn T.S. Dakin 171 162 158 155 149 139 John Rigby J.B. Hamilton James Wilson J.K. Milner Edmund Johnson Captain Walker 163 160 160 154 150 144 Grand Total 934 Grand Total 931
	At the termination of the shooting at 800 yards, luncheon was served, and prior to the resuming of the match, Major Leech, of the Irish team, in a neat and graceful speech, presented the silver cup described above, and also decorated colonel Wingate with the badge of the Irish Rifle Association. Nothing occurred during the day to mar the pleasure and harmony of the occasion, barring some railroad mismanagement, and both parties have reason to be proud of their display of skill. While it was a famous victory for the Americans, the Irish riflemen need not feel chagrined at their defeat.

[The Pastor]

thats awesome, i'd love to give 1000m shooting a go. Im sure my lever is up to it.....



when i get it back from the store that is....