The firearm thread

**jono035** · 19th August 2009, 08:43

Originally Posted by Indiana_Jones

I see the NSA has got a little mention in the news

-Indy

Not exactly the most accurate reporting in the world but good to see anyway. Just wish they had clarified the point that the police were changing their interpretation of the phrase 'military pattern, free-standing pistol grip', not imposing it in the first place.

I'm not 100% sure that this change would have affected any of Molenaar's weapons (ignoring the fact that he had no license so probably wouldn't have cared anyway...)

**Mr Merde** · 19th August 2009, 08:58

Originally Posted by jono035

...probably wouldn't have cared anyway...)

This is exactly what we have to go up against.

Everytime there is an in cident then the governmental powers try to be seen to be doing something.

Because we are predominantly law abiding and keep a low profile we are an easy target.

It can be poinbted out that they have done X,Y, and Z and now life will be safer because those of us that care and obey the rules have had more restrictions.

The criminal doesnt care for these rules. By the very nature of this persons inclination of being a criminal he\she doesnt obey the rules.

You could legislate and restrict life to such a level that the law abiding would have to have permission to take a dump and still the criminal wouldnt care. He\she just wouldnt obey them.

Stupid thing is that in these days a criminal has more rights than us law abiding citizens. As a firearms owner you have given the police the right to enter your home as they feel fit to check on your security. If you were a criminal and they suspected you had firearms they would have to go to court to obtain a search warrant to enter their home etc to look for firearms.

Why is this so?

Because we are all potential psychopaths waiting to go on a rampage.

**jono035** · 19th August 2009, 08:59

Has anyone here been using www.gunstuff.co.nz or www.gunriflereload.co.nz?

I found gunstuff a while back but it doesn't seem to have that much stuff on it. gunriflereload seems to have a few more auctions on it from what I can tell. The UI on both is pretty cluttered and odd (maybe I'm just too used to trademe).

There was also a full page colour ad for gunriflereload in the bullshooter (pistol NZ magazine) this month...

**Swoop** · 19th August 2009, 10:38

Originally Posted by Indiana_Jones

I see the NSA has got a little mention in the news

-Indy

QUOTE:
Gun owners have been told that if they own a semi-automatic firearm with a ``military pattern, free-standing pistol grip'', it is now considered a military-style semi-automatic firearm.

No shit sherlock.
That law has been around for quite a while now.

We thought the Harold reporting was bad. Hawkesbaytoday appears to have sunk to new depths.

**Mr Merde** · 19th August 2009, 12:37

Originally Posted by Swoop

QUOTE:
Gun owners have been told that if they own a semi-automatic firearm with a ``military pattern, free-standing pistol grip'', it is now considered a military-style semi-automatic firearm.

No shit sherlock.
That law has been around for quite a while now.

We thought the Harold reporting was bad. Hawkesbaytoday appears to have sunk to new depths.

This means a lot more than military style. Military pattern is very specific as to materials, dimensions, build method, colour etc. There are actual specifications for Military Pattern

The firearms law actually states Military Pattern not Military style

By this it can be inferred that for a AR15 the A1 and A2 grips are Mititary Pattern and are restricted but any pistol grip that doesnt fit into those specs are of a military style and not prohibited under the Firearms act

Another case of the Police imposing their interpretation of the law and not the actual law.

**sAsLEX** · 19th August 2009, 12:47

I note the inside rear cover of the latest NZ Hunter magazine has the Police Poster indicating I am now a criminal.... and that it has the endorsement of the New Zealand Government.

**Mr Merde** · 19th August 2009, 13:46

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

I note the inside rear cover of the latest NZ Hunter magazine has the Police Poster indicating I am now a criminal.... and that it has the endorsement of the New Zealand Government.

Being the law abiding citizen that I know you are I think that you should rapidly descend upon your nearest police office and promptly surrender yourself for prosecution and chastisement.

You obviously cant be trusted with those "weapons of mass hysteria".

I also think that you should report yourself to the shore patrol as obviously you cannot be trusted any further with those weapons supplied to you by the NZDF.

**jono035** · 19th August 2009, 14:58

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=235814504

Pump-action .22LR... so tempting... Could be a fun little plinker. Problem is I'd need a new gun rack, too!

**Mr Merde** · 19th August 2009, 15:06

Originally Posted by jono035

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=235814504

Pump-action .22LR... so tempting... Could be a fun little plinker. Problem is I'd need a new gun rack, too!

I looked at that. Sweet little rifle. Fun to shoot. I have a 1912 version at home. the 1912 doesnt have an exposed hammer.

So far I am the highest bidder on the Uberti 66 .
Been after one for a while now.

I could fix this one up for about $8-9 hundred. Turn it into a nice shooter.

Wouldnt be pretty but none of my guns are.

**Wolf** · 19th August 2009, 16:33

Definitely a sweet rifle. The exchange between the seller and saltnpepper was quite interesting to read.

**jono035** · 19th August 2009, 17:02

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Wouldnt be pretty but none of my guns are.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder anyway.

Originally Posted by Wolf

Definitely a sweet rifle. The exchange between the seller and saltnpepper was quite interesting to read.

Yeah, and if it does happen to be a pre-WW2 one, apparently they're worth a reasonable amount (US$600) so could be quite a bargain.

Personally I'd only be buying it as a fun little plinker but I think a lever would be more fun. If I'm getting a Rossi lever in .44mag then I'd still need a pump gun to complete the set. Decisions, decisions.

**Indiana_Jones** · 19th August 2009, 17:05

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/List...x?id=236163672

-Indy

**Mr Merde** · 20th August 2009, 11:47

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=10591895

According to all the reports this man has knives and a meat cleaver.

The police in their wisdom have now decided to charge him with threatening to kill and using a firearm to resist arrest.

What I want to know is where did this firearm suddenly come from or when did the police start classifying knives as firearms.

Is this an attempt to influence the crime statistics and once again put firearms owners on the defensive?