The firearm thread

[jono035]

you could do what i do to avoid hassle and problems and paying heaps = chuck it in the post.

Without declaring it that may actually be an offense of some kind. Not that I think you'd ever get caught, but just for the record...

[sAsLEX]

Without declaring it that may actually be an offense of some kind. Not that I think you'd ever get caught, but just for the record...

Reminds me of a friend who got charged for Dangerous Goods on an Aeroplane.

He had his chainsaw, disassembled, with the gas tank empty and had vented it for a week. Got to his destination and they through a hissy fit arrested him and eventually let him go, but now flying is incredibly difficult and they held on to his chainsaw for 3 months and it cost him a fair bit to get it back.


They then flew it back to him. In the exact same state, same packaging which hardly looked opened . He was rather confused how it was ok for them but not for him......

[jono035]

Reminds me of a friend who got charged for Dangerous Goods on an Aeroplane.

He had his chainsaw, disassembled, with the gas tank empty and had vented it for a week. Got to his destination and they through a hissy fit arrested him and eventually let him go, but now flying is incredibly difficult and they held on to his chainsaw for 3 months and it cost him a fair bit to get it back.


They then flew it back to him. In the exact same state, same packaging which hardly looked opened . He was rather confused how it was ok for them but not for him......

Yeah, doesn't have to make sense for them to still screw you over it :P

[Swoop]

There is something on TV tonight @ 9.30. "Kids with guns".

Might be interesting as on the shorts for the programme, the family is at the machine gun shoots that are held in the USA.
The kids appear well supervised and very happy... Two unusual things in society at times.

[Indiana_Jones]

There is something on TV tonight @ 9.30. "Kids with guns".

Might be interesting as on the shorts for the programme, the family is at the machine gun shoots that are held in the USA.
The kids appear well supervised and very happy... Two unusual things in society at times.

which channel?

-Indy

[Swoop]

which channel?

-Indy

I "think" it is on TV1...

edit: Yup!

Real Life: Kids with Guns (TV1, 9.30pm). In the most armed society in the world, where around 80 people die every day in gun-related incidents, logic would dictate that fewer guns would equal fewer tragedies. However, as this doco shows, there are some passionate gun owners in the US whose solution is more, not fewer. Kids with Guns follows three American families who are happy to place scary weaponry in the hands of their small children – including a six-year-old with an AK-47 and a seven-year-old with a specially adapted semi-automatic rifle.

[wbks]

I "think" it is on TV1...

edit: Yup!

Real Life: Kids with Guns (TV1, 9.30pm). In the most armed society in the world, where around 80 people die every day in gun-related incidents, logic would dictate that fewer guns would equal fewer tragedies. However, as this doco shows, there are some passionate gun owners in the US whose solution is more, not fewer. Kids with Guns follows three American families who are happy to place scary weaponry in the hands of their small children – including a six-year-old with an AK-47 and a seven-year-old with a specially adapted semi-automatic rifle.

Did it show a little kid on a browning .50 cal
Sign me up...

[Wolf]

I "think" it is on TV1...

edit: Yup!

Real Life: Kids with Guns (TV1, 9.30pm). In the most armed society in the world, where around 80 people die every day in gun-related incidents, logic would dictate that fewer guns would equal fewer tragedies. However, as this doco shows, there are some passionate gun owners in the US whose solution is more, not fewer. Kids with Guns follows three American families who are happy to place scary weaponry in the hands of their small children – including a six-year-old with an AK-47 and a seven-year-old with a specially adapted semi-automatic rifle.

Fair enough. About time the media showed something pro-shooting to balance out the hysterical knee-jerk articles they've been showing.

My boys love shooting. Taliesin keeps going on about going out to Chris' place and shooting, Tangwyn keeps going on about his visit to the Auckland Blackpowder Club's event.

I've dug out my soft air pistols and I set up a range for the boys in the lounge - strict range-shooting rules apply, I'm Range Officer and Armourer and the boys love the shooting.

The soft air pistols are ideal as the pellets are stopped by a curtain and won't penetrate plaster or wallpaper so we can practise indoors any time we feel like it; the pistols are lightweight and have no recoil so the boys can hold them and focus on control, accuracy and the safety rules.

It's an ideal vector for their competitive natures as it is a sport where Taliesin's greater size, strength and speed give him no advantages over Tangwyn - the pistols are "equalizers" indeed. They level the playing field for the 2 boys and Tangwyn can - and often does - actually beat his older brother at something.

Tangwyn is especially intent on what he is doing, painstakingly aiming the pistol at the target with his finger resting on the frame until ready to fire, then he takes care to squeeze the trigger without shaking the pistol.

They delight in calling out what ring they hit or "bullseye" when they get one.

I'm seriously considering mocking up a couple of lights with a remote switch just like on a real range.

The boys are not strong enough to cock the pistols (they're springers and have to be manually cocked for each shot) so I cycle the slide for them.

They are learning firearms safety ("treat even these as though they are real firearms and treat all firearms as if they are loaded"), control and discipline - and enjoying themselves in the process.

Someone I know made disparaging comments about me teaching my little monsters how to use a weapon - typical of the knee-jerk reactions of the general public when it comes to firearms.

For all I know, I've got a couple of future Olympic gold-medalists under my roof - I'm certainly going to give them all the encouragement and guidance I can.

[jono035]

Fair enough. About time the media showed something pro-shooting to balance out the hysterical knee-jerk articles they've been showing.

...

For all I know, I've got a couple of future Olympic gold-medalists under my roof - I'm certainly going to give them all the encouragement and guidance I can.

That's a pretty good attitude really. I used to love shooting and blocks of wood and cans set up on the edge of the lawn with the .22 air rifle we had.

Pistol shooting is a wonderful equalizer of physical abilities, that's for sure. Even for the larger calibers it is a mental challenge long before you arrive at any physical challenges.

One thing that I think people don't realise as well is that firearms are inherently quite simple to use at a basic level. It only takes a few minutes to teach someone (or for them to figure out) how to use a weapon in the most basic sense. Mastery takes a liftime of course, but 'not knowing how' is not an impediment to someone making the decision to use a firearm in an illegal manner.

For my 9mm putting rounds in magazine is probably the hardest bit... Put magazine in the obvious hole in the bottom of grip. Pull the slide back and release, just as has been seen in the movies. Point. Pull trigger. Anyone thinking that a lack of familiarity with these processes would stop someone committing a crime is severely deluded. It doesn't matter that their accuracy would be crap, it'd still be good enough that I'd never volunteer to stand in front of them.

One of the police officers I've spoken to at the gun range once said that they thought the trend in gangster movies to show people shooting with their weapons turned side on had probably saved more lives than many other gun crime prevention initiatives...

[scumdog]

I "think" it is on TV1...

– including a six-year-old with an AK-47 and a seven-year-old with a specially adapted semi-automatic rifle.

Sounds just like my boys a few years ago - but no 'specially adapted' semi-auto for them

Just my full-sized editions.

[Mr Merde]

I will lay odds that this show and the up and comming show on Target tomorrow night (about kids and airguns) will strees the negative view.

Has anyone else noticed there seems to be a lot of these types of articles and shows about lately.

[Indiana_Jones]

I will lay odds that this show and the up and comming show on Target tomorrow night (about kids and airguns) will strees the negative view.

Has anyone else noticed there seems to be a lot of these types of articles and shows about lately.

It's not just you mate.

-Indy

[Brett]

There was a guy playing with a box of those at the range a few months back, pretty random looking. Apparently those in a .22 pistol are good as snake-protection...

LOL well they would certainly keep my 'snake' away!

[Wolf]

One thing that I think people don't realise as well is that firearms are inherently quite simple to use at a basic level. It only takes a few minutes to teach someone (or for them to figure out) how to use a weapon in the most basic sense. Mastery takes a liftime of course, but 'not knowing how' is not an impediment to someone making the decision to use a firearm in an illegal manner.

I wholeheartedly agree. While loading some can require a bit of "nutting out", unless the weapon is really exotic (like a Heckler & Koch P7) and the guy's a real moron (like one bloke who relieved a German cop of his P7), actually firing the damned thing is quite simple - picking it up and fucking around with it will usually get job done sooner or later (whether or not the person actually wants to fire it...)

The boys already had a good idea of how to fire a pistol, it was teaching them to do so safely that was the first order of business.

[Wolf]

I will lay odds that this show and the up and comming show on Target tomorrow night (about kids and airguns) will strees the negative view.

GAKK! Fucking Target again! Those brain-damaged, sensationalist, misrepresenting twats ought to be jailed for fraud. I'd spit on the bastards but I refuse to degrade my spit by letting it touch them.