The firearm thread

[Mr Merde]

... put in a false Firearms license number on trademe and they told me off.

Im might try it again with a carefully constructed license number (right format, wrong numbers of course) to see if they catch on, or sdoes anyhone know how they valuidate the number input?

I find it hard to believe they'd have access to lists of FA serial numbers to data match against.

In the continuing nstory of TardMe

Last night I saw some projectile I wanted to bid on.

Wouldnt let me bid on the bullet heads without inputting my firarearms certificate.

Tried to ask the seller why I had to put my firearms number in when there is no legal requirement to do so when purchasing reloading components. Guess what, cant even do that without inputting the number.

Trade Me is taking things too far in their sucking up to the police. If they have access to the police database as well isnt there a privacy issue here?

I wonder if Richard wants to take on the police and Trade Me over an abuse of the Privacy Act----Mmmmmmmmm

[jono035]

Tried to ask the seller why I had to put my firearms number in when there is no legal requirement to do so when purchasing reloading components. Guess what, cant even do that without inputting the number.

Yeah, that pisses me off pretty seriously, although I'd have no problem with trademe just banning all firearms-related auctions completely, that way everyone would start using somewhere firearms specific like gunstuff or gunriflereload. At least there they have the balls to actually list pistols and those dreaded 'E' cat firearms.

[The Pastor]

yeah i hate the tradesme.
flipping rip off! i'd be all for a seperate gun auction site.

[ManDownUnder]

In the continuing nstory of TardMe

Last night I saw some projectile I wanted to bid on.

Wouldnt let me bid on the bullet heads without inputting my firarearms certificate.

Tried to ask the seller why I had to put my firearms number in when there is no legal requirement to do so when purchasing reloading components. Guess what, cant even do that without inputting the number.

Trade Me is taking things too far in their sucking up to the police. If they have access to the police database as well isnt there a privacy issue here?

I wonder if Richard wants to take on the police and Trade Me over an abuse of the Privacy Act----Mmmmmmmmm

With the greatest of respect... fuck 'em

Wonder if there's anything we could do here on KB in that respect? A trading forum perhaps? I know they have one on www.fishnhunt.co.nz already

[jono035]

With the greatest of respect... fuck 'em

Wonder if there's anything we could do here on KB in that respect? A trading forum perhaps? I know they have one on www.fishnhunt.co.nz already

I've been keeping an eye on some of the listings on www.gunstuff.co.nz and www.gunriflereload.co.nz. Doesn't seem to be a hell of a lot of stuff there, but hopefully tardme will keep forcing people to use other options.

So far I prefer www.gunriflereload.co.nz, it has a bit better layout for finding particular types of firearm i.e. has rifles sorted by semi-auto/bolt-action/lever-action/pump-action etc.

[Mr Merde]

With the greatest of respect... fuck 'em

Wonder if there's anything we could do here on KB in that respect? A trading forum perhaps? I know they have one on www.fishnhunt.co.nz already

I tried to leave a message for the seller informing him\her that as I objected to having to enter my firearms number to bid on goods that do not require a licence to buy, I would not be doing so. Unfortunately even to do this you need to input your licence number.

This is ridiculous. They are building up a database of everything firearm related that we purchase.

Bullets, powder, primers, cases and reloading equipment does not require you to produce a licence to purchase. I'm not sure if its actually illegal to hold ammunition though you do need a licence to purchase factory ammo.

In the UK, much more restrictive than here, you dont need a licence to buy the components but the minute you make a completed round you need a licence to possess it.

I dont know about things like scopes etc as I havent bid on anything like that for a while but it wouldnt supprise me if they had started requiring the licence number.

[Mr Merde]

Here is an example of what I have just been raving about.

I have changed the relevant text to red.

Since when have you had to supply a firearms licence number to buy a press?

This is bollocks

The second add is attempting to ask a question regarding brass cases for a 38. Firearms number to ask a question.

As MDU said so elequantly


FUCK THEM


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Lee classic cast press

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[ManDownUnder]

I think the issue is they've put the requirement for a FA license on the "Ammunition" category which possibly seems sensible on the face of it.

As has been pointed out however, components do not need a license, and I am also personally quite averse to handing that info to TM for no good reason. Doubly so considering the information then gets archived for all eternity, on an Australian owned website.

They either need a separate "components" subsection without license restrictions on it, or some stiff competition

[Indiana_Jones]

What a load of bollocks.

Does it breach the privacy act in anyway?

-Indy

[Mr Merde]

Just sent this to Trade Me

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"Can you please inform me as to why you are now demanding that we have to enter our firearms licence number when bidding for such items as bullet cases, reloading dies, reloading presses, projectiles etc.
There is no law that states it is illegal to purchase these items. In fact anyone can walk into any gun shop and purchase these items without having to produce a firearms licence. Factory or whole ammunition is another matter but as individual components they do not require a licence to purchase..
You are demanding we do this even if we attempt to ask the seller a question, why?
What are you doing with this information? If you are supplying it to a third party such as the police then I am sure that the Privacy Commisioner would be very interested in this flagrant disreagard for the Privacy laws of NZ.
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Now the wait to see if they will answer me or kick me off TM for daring to question them.

[Indiana_Jones]

Let us know how you get on mate.

And they shouldn't be asking even if I am purchasing live ammo or firearms.

-Indy

[ManDownUnder]

TM suggestions box submission made just now.

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You need a subcategory "Components" under your Ammunition category. The requirement for a firearms license number to be submitted for the purchase of, or even to ask questions, in the ammo category iss really annoying a lot of legitimate firearms license holders who i) know fully well there is no license required for the purchase of compoinents (live ammunition - yes, components like, primers, projectiles and powder... no!). and ii) are very reluctant to submit genuine firearms license details to anyone other than a duly authorised and trusted source of firearms, or to the Police.

Trademe is losing a lot business right now due to the request for a FA license number, and it's causing concern in some quarters. Collecting that information reasonably suggests that there's either 1) a validation process being done in which case Trademe has gained access to some highly confidential lists of information from the NZ Police. 2) Data is being collected for some purpose beyond the requirements of the law or 3) Trademe doesn't understand it's legal obligations in this regard and needs to take corrective action
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[Indiana_Jones]

Just sent this off

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"Why am I required to submit personal information such as my firearms licence number when purchasing rifles?

I understand the buyer shall view my licence in person or by police order form, and rightly so.

But why am I being asked to do submit it when I bid or ask a question?

Is this information being passed onto police in anyway?"

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-Indy

[Mr Merde]

Maybe I am being paranoid or maybe big brother is watching me but I feel really uneasy with a private company collection information about me like this.

I would really like to know what is happening to this information.

I would hate to think of an unofficial database being kept of all my firearms related purchases being kept somewhere.

ie

Licence number XXXXXXX
Name xxxxxxx

Address XXXXXX

Date XXXXXXX

Purchased 50 .44 Mag cases

Purchased 100 primers

Asked about delivery to North Island

Purchased 12 guage shotgun

etc.


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I dont want to be on a "shopping List"

[Indiana_Jones]

yea same here.

Has someone brought it to the attention of the NSA?

I think I'll hold fire from buying anything firearms related on tardme until this is worked out.

I think I've brought one rifle (maybe 2) on there that asked for my licence number.

-Indy