The firearm thread

**wbks** · 27th August 2009, 12:42

I'm not trying to hint at anything, but... What do you fear would be the negative outcome of every firearm owner in NZ buying off tradme being recorded on a "shopping list"?

**The Pastor** · 27th August 2009, 12:46

wasn't it tm who gave the police a very large file on the entire shopping history of thousands of people who the police then gave to some criminals?

**Indiana_Jones** · 27th August 2009, 12:46

Originally Posted by wbks

I'm not trying to hint at anything, but... What do you fear would be the negative outcome of every firearm owner in NZ buying off tradme being recorded on a "shopping list"?

I'll let Chris answer this one, We're on the same level, but he's much better with words then I.

-Indy

**Mr Merde** · 27th August 2009, 12:49

Originally Posted by wbks

I'm not trying to hint at anything, but... What do you fear would be the negative outcome of every firearm owner in NZ buying off tradme being recorded on a "shopping list"?

Two things come to mind.

1) Back door method of registration. ie if its known what we are buyingn for then the powers that rule us can make a pretty good guess as to what we possess. In ann extreme case this could lead to confiscation.

2) Trade me screwing up as RM mentioned above and a list with my name and address on it telling those persons who do not obey the law, what I have and where I live.

**Mr Merde** · 27th August 2009, 12:50

Originally Posted by Indiana_Jones

I'll let Chris answer this one, We're on the same level, but he's much better with words then I.

-Indy

Not as good as MDU though

**wbks** · 27th August 2009, 12:54

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Two things come to mind.

1) Back door method of registration. ie if its known what we are buyingn for then the powers that rule us can make a pretty good guess as to what we possess. In ann extreme case this could lead to confiscation.

Why would they want to confiscate from people who possess firearms?
People with registered firearms aren't the ones committing crimes with them, and it's not as if people (especially from NZ) are gearing up for rebellion

**Indiana_Jones** · 27th August 2009, 12:56

Originally Posted by wbks

Why would they want to confiscate from people who possess firearms?
People with registered firearms aren't the ones committing crimes with them, and it's not as if people (especially from NZ) are gearing up for rebellion

That was the reason they brought in the arms act in 1920.

-Indy

**Mr Merde** · 27th August 2009, 12:57

Originally Posted by wbks

Why would they want to confiscate from people who possess firearms?
People with registered firearms aren't the ones committing crimes with them, and it's not as if people (especially from NZ) are gearing up for rebellion

Tell that to the pistol owners of the UK, the firearms owners of Australia, the Canadians.

We are lawabiding therefore we are an easy target.

**Swoop** · 27th August 2009, 13:00

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Trade me screwing up and a list with my name and address on it telling those persons who do not obey the law, what I have and where I live.

You mean trademe fucking up (again) and allowing all that info to be passed into the hands of "the great unwashed"...

My name was passed on, in the recent kerfuffle.

**wbks** · 27th August 2009, 13:05

In the 1920's people had just been through the Great War. Most guys were Military trained and people would have the spine to stand up for themselves. Those days are long gone and anyone standing up against the government is ostricised and as you have seen on KB, people defending arms rights are called rednecks at the drop of a hat. No matter how "big brother" like the leaders of NZ get, you could drop shipments of the armys Browning .50 Cals and Steyr AUGs loaded up on the streets and all you would see is gangs using them

**The Pastor** · 27th August 2009, 13:09

Originally Posted by Swoop

You mean trademe fucking up (again) and allowing all that info to be passed into the hands of "the great unwashed"...

My name was passed on, in the recent kerfuffle.

how did u find out? did they notifiy you or did you have to ask?

**ManDownUnder** · 27th August 2009, 13:11

Originally Posted by renegade master

wasn't it tm who gave the police a very large file on the entire shopping history of thousands of people who the police then gave to some criminals?

Yes.

On a related note - I put in a false FA license number when recently commenting to a seller they're unlikely to sell their reloading press because of the concerns about submitting a FA license number. Simply incremented a couple of the numbers up or down one or two values... but it's enough to test if they are data matching or simply parsing data through a format filter to confirm the numbers and letters are within accpetable bounds.

It also adds yet another possible value of my FA license number to any databases collecting said data

... shame that... Anyone that's been involved in data matching will know of the scrubbing process that needs to happen first - and what an incredible pain that is whouyld a number of possible, similar but different values come along. Was it a typo, are any of them actually correct, which one(s) can/do we check... etc

**ManDownUnder** · 27th August 2009, 13:22

VERY VERY interesting update...

The FA entered (in the correct format) has now led to me being banned from purchasing firearms on TM. Which leads me to wonder if it is
1) A different number from the one I entered last time (meaning they blocked me on the basis they're not sure of the truth) or
2) They've matched the data somehow?

The email received reads thus...
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Dear MDU,

We note that you have continued to enter incorrect firearms licence information when bidding on an item in the Shotguns, Rifles or Ammunition categories.

As stated in a previous email to you, this is a very serious matter and your ability to bid on auctions in the rifle and shotgun categories has been removed.

If you fax us a photocopy of your firearms licence we will re-enable this ability. Please fax this to us on 04 974 4820 and include your username on the fax. Alternatively, you can email us a copy of your firearms licence as an attachment to tmcs@trademe.co.nz.

You can’t reply directly to this email but if you have any questions regarding this policy, decision or any other issue, we’re happy to discuss this with you. Please contact us using the below link:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Help/Contac...px?help_id=516

Alternatively, to have your questions answered instantly, you can contact Trade Me via 0900 TRADE (0900 87233). Please be aware, calls cost $1.99 + GST per minute.

Regards,

Trade Me Support
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Trade Me - Where Kiwis Buy and Sell
www.trademe.co.nz
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so of course I asked the following just now through the website link given (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Help/Contac...px?help_id=516)

I'm sorry but can you please confirm the basis for this cancelling my ability to purchase ammunition action. Please reinstate my account immediately.

Also, and more importantly, what makes you say it's not my FA license number? How could you possibly know if it is - or not?
===

Watch this space...

**Swoop** · 27th August 2009, 13:35

Originally Posted by renegade master

how did u find out? did they notifiy you or did you have to ask?

I was emailed by Betrademe, informing me that my details along with a lot of other people, had had all their details (name, address, phone numbers, etc) passed onto persons who shouldn't really have access to them.

Suffice to say that if ANYONE keeps their correct details online with Betrademe, you are really unwise to do so.

My current registered address on that website, will hopefully be passed onto the crims. They will get a surprise if they attempt to break into that address...

**ManDownUnder** · 27th August 2009, 13:39

Originally Posted by Swoop

My current registered address on that website, will hopefully be passed onto the crims. They will get a surprise if they attempt to break into that address...

...but what could anyone possibly do with a verified name, address, firearms license number and copy of Photochop do?

I mean really...