The firearm thread

**The Pastor** · 27th August 2009, 13:43

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

VERY VERY interesting update...

The FA entered (in the correct format) has now led to me being banned from purchasing firearms on TM. Which leads me to wonder if it is
1) A different number from the one I entered last time (meaning they blocked me on the basis they're not sure of the truth) or
2) They've matched the data somehow?

The email received reads thus...
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Dear MDU,

We note that you have continued to enter incorrect firearms licence information when bidding on an item in the Shotguns, Rifles or Ammunition categories.

As stated in a previous email to you, this is a very serious matter and your ability to bid on auctions in the rifle and shotgun categories has been removed.

If you fax us a photocopy of your firearms licence we will re-enable this ability. Please fax this to us on 04 974 4820 and include your username on the fax. Alternatively, you can email us a copy of your firearms licence as an attachment to tmcs@trademe.co.nz.

You can’t reply directly to this email but if you have any questions regarding this policy, decision or any other issue, we’re happy to discuss this with you. Please contact us using the below link:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Help/Contac...px?help_id=516

Alternatively, to have your questions answered instantly, you can contact Trade Me via 0900 TRADE (0900 87233). Please be aware, calls cost $1.99 + GST per minute.

Regards,

Trade Me Support
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Trade Me - Where Kiwis Buy and Sell
www.trademe.co.nz
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so of course I asked the following just now through the website link given (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Help/Contac...px?help_id=516)

I'm sorry but can you please confirm the basis for this cancelling my ability to purchase ammunition action. Please reinstate my account immediately.

Also, and more importantly, what makes you say it's not my FA license number? How could you possibly know if it is - or not?
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Watch this space...

utter bullshit!

**ManDownUnder** · 27th August 2009, 13:53

Originally Posted by renegade master

utter bullshit!

Well yes and no.

I hear and agree with you.

But right now I'm just itching for some ammo to establish how they do this then involve the appropriate parties to
1) Please explain to
2) The appropriate authorities

The best case for TM is to say "we're not going to tell you" in which case I'm concerned my privacy has been breached, otherwise it would seem some form of data matching may be occurring in which case... my privacy has been breached.

Not happy - but enjoying it if that makes sense...?

**jono035** · 27th August 2009, 14:53

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Well yes and no.

I hear and agree with you.

But right now I'm just itching for some ammo to establish how they do this then involve the appropriate parties to
1) Please explain to
2) The appropriate authorities

The best case for TM is to say "we're not going to tell you" in which case I'm concerned my privacy has been breached, otherwise it would seem some form of data matching may be occurring in which case... my privacy has been breached.

Not happy - but enjoying it if that makes sense...?

I wonder what you can get out of them under the privacy act? You can request all information they have stored about you.

Of course, the more I see things like this (especially the $2/min 0900 support number) the more I dislike trademe.

Edit: During the 'Illegal NZ' lies-and-disinformation show I was wondering if the Police would confirm whether someone had a firearms license and whether the address was correct for them if you asked with the following reasoning: If the guy got faxed the firearms license then proceeded to contact the police asking them to confirm that the name, number and address on the license and delivery address were correct then that would have been a way that using a photoshopped firearms license would have been caught out.

Perhaps TM are simply doing the same thing, asking the Police to confirm that a certain FAL number corresponds to your registered real name/address, in which case the only extra information they are getting hold of is 'yes, that firearms license number corresponds to the license issued to a person of that name'...

**ManDownUnder** · 27th August 2009, 14:58

Originally Posted by jono035

I wonder what you can get out of them under the privacy act? You can request all information they have stored about you.

Of course, the more I see things like this (especially the $2/min 0900 support number) the more I dislike trademe.

Right now I'm just collecting info. There may actually be a totally innocent explanation in which case I'll be happy to accept it. And then again there may not be.

Yet to find out.

**Mr Merde** · 27th August 2009, 15:15

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Right now I'm just collecting info. There may actually be a totally innocent explanation in which case I'll be happy to accept it. And then again there may not be.

Yet to find out.

Of the same opinion. If they prove to my satisfaction that all is OK I will let it rest.

Just dont like people\organisations changing the rules to suit themselves or their agenda

**ManDownUnder** · 27th August 2009, 15:51

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Just dont like people\organisations changing the rules to suit themselves or their agenda

Or to pass responsibility to others for their own shortcomings... through malice or ignorance. I think it's just ignorance in this case personally, although I am still REALLY curious to see how they can validate a FA license number...

**The Pastor** · 27th August 2009, 15:55

in my experience with dealing with the police there is no such thing as a innocent explanation, they have so many agendas and reasons behind everything you have to be REAL careful about what you say.

**ManDownUnder** · 27th August 2009, 16:08

Originally Posted by renegade master

in my experience with dealing with the police there is no such thing as a innocent explanation

I must say that's where we differ. I've never had problems with the Police personally. I'm happy to take my medicine if I do bad... I would like TM to do the same, as unrealistic as that may be.

**Indiana_Jones** · 27th August 2009, 17:00

Just read what happened to MDU, will be very interesting to see what happens with it.

At the end of the day, they shouldn't care what our FAL No. is, the law requires the seller to check, no one else.

-Indy

**jono035** · 27th August 2009, 17:14

Originally Posted by Indiana_Jones

Just read what happened to MDU, will be very interesting to see what happens with it.

At the end of the day, they shouldn't care what our FAL No. is, the law requires the seller to check, no one else.

-Indy

I think it's interesting because there are no safeguards to stop you creating an account in someone elses name...

Get hold of a FAL from someones wallet, make a new trademe account in their name, buy rifle, sellers get lulled into a false sense of security thinking that trademe has all their bases covered and they don't need to do anything more then get bitten when the cops find out they sold their firearm to someone without a FAL. Don't know how realistic that is but it's a thought.

Also wtf are they doing requiring a FAL number to be entered for projectiles? What's next, scrap lead? Propane tanks perhaps?

**sAsLEX** · 27th August 2009, 17:30

Just got back from 54 hours of duty watching a "group" of people swimming and climbing ships....

One ting I noted in the show on kids with guns was the opening statement to paraphrase

" The UK has some of the strictest gun laws in the world, and yet gun crime is on the rise"

Better toughen our laws, it has worked so well in the UK!

KREWZR · 27th August 2009, 17:31

http://nsanz.org.nz/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1251350367

**ManDownUnder** · 27th August 2009, 17:34

Originally Posted by KREWZR

http://nsanz.org.nz/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1251350367

Link doesn't work for non members - are you able to copy and paste? I signed up - linky still no working.

**jono035** · 27th August 2009, 18:08

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Link doesn't work for non members - are you able to copy and paste? I signed up - linky still no working.

Same here, I see a couple of accounts there needing activation I think

**The Pastor** · 27th August 2009, 19:33

well you've never been to court then!

I was there last monday,

One guy was getting two tickets for going through a red light and a no right turn on his unicycle.

The JP's threw it out because the defense argued that it is not a vehicle and is exempt from traffic law.

The law actually contradicts itself as of 2006 a new law was made classing it as an open wheeled recreational device - so it could be ticketed etc under normal traffic law.

The police repeatedly made the comment "i don't care i'm getting paid to be here" to myself and the defendant.

The police then applied to appeal the decision on the ground of "we just need to know for the future"

BULL FLIPPING SHIT. They had there answer right there, and how many times is a unicycle going to be riding on the road going through a red light. The only purpose was to hassle this guy and make him take time off work.

Don't ever say anything to the police, it will only come and bite you in the arse - even if it seems like a friendly joke. Its just how they operate, its not personal, but it stinks like a still born baby left out on the deck for a few days.