The firearm thread

[scumdog]

Wot a crock of shit that programme was!!

Tells you how dangerous air-guns are and mention the tragic case where one boy shot the other throught the eye with an air rifle and nearly killed him

THEN they show you slug PISTOLS and 'soft-air' guns.

Like telling you how dangerous motorbikes are and mentioning a fatal crash that invloved an R1 - but then showing you a GN125.


Arrrgh, bloody sensationalism reporting.

Rickards wos innercent.

[Wolf]

After all that, I forgot about the program until it was over.

Anyone catch it? Did they actually show anyone purchasing a [.45 cal weapon that spits out brass and makes a loud crack] without a licence?

[Wolf]

Wot a crock of shit that programme was!!

Tells you how dangerous air-guns are and mention the tragic case where one boy shot the other throught the eye with an air rifle and nearly killed him

THEN they show you slug PISTOLS and 'soft-air' guns.

Yeah, wahl, we all KNOW that pistols are just as deadly as rifles...

Wait'll their blog gets filled with tripe by concerned citizens saying that it's outrageous how 16-year-olds are buying lethal soft air pistols over the counter.

How did their hidden camera "sting" operation go, SD, did they catch any "evil" gun stores? If they did, I hope the stores concerned wrote responses pointing out the procedure to at least get some balance back.

Someone on here who watched it should post a comment on their blog pointing out the disparity between the pistol depicted in their trailer and the air pistols featured in their programme as well as SD's comparison between their likening of air rifles to soft air pistols and likening an R1 to a ginny. Reiterations of my argument about the difficulty in accurately assessing age may be approriate, too.

[scumdog]

Yeah, wahl, we all KNOW that pistols are just as deadly as rifles...

Wait'll their blog gets filled with tripe by concerned citizens saying that it's outrageous how 16-year-olds are buying lethal soft air pistols over the counter.

How did their hidden camera "sting" operation go, SD, did they catch any "evil" gun stores? If they did, I hope the stores concerned wrote responses pointing out the procedure to at least get some balance back.

Nah, I suspect that privately they were gutted by the responsibility of the various gun-shops when it came down to buying the .22s, top marks to the gun-shops.

And when it came to 'buying' the air-guns and the crap involved with that 'sting' I gave up and went to the monthly meeting of our local hot-rod club, at least I could drink my handle without blowing the froth over the TV screen.

[Swoop]

They tried stores in Rotorua, Hamilton and Auckland.
All completely kosher with regards to licences etc with .22 purchase... (surprise, surprise...)
With the airguns there were a couple who didn't explain responsibilties clearly and a couple who didn't adequately check ages, even one letter of reply stated "it was clearly obvious the age of the accompanying person was older than 18".
A load of hoohaa over nothing really.

Fish will recognise the range where the filming was done, eh!

[jrandom]

Fish will recognise the range where the filming was done, eh!

Sure did. I noticed that they took down the lane dividers. Obviously Target encourages unsafe pistol shooting. I wonder how that chick fronting the show would like some hot brass down her collar? And they only ran the targets out a few yards.

They should have had an intro clip of a club shoot going on to show the difference between real pistols and the toys their actors were attempting to purchase. Be fun to listen to their camera mics clipping on 150dB SPL shockwaves bouncing around the range.

I was happily unsurprised by the correct and responsible approach taken by all the gun shops. Well done, guys.

And I ROFL'd at the intro comments about how "most firearm crimes are committed with illegally obtained weapons, so, er, we thought we'd do an expose on legal purchasing methods..."

It was probably the least scandalous Target episode I've ever seen.

[Wolf]

Cheers, Swoop and Fish, for giving me a laugh. Sounds like the Target team needs some serious firearms safety training - they seem to have shot themselves in the foot...

[pritch]

Melt some solder into the firing pin mechanism and sell without a magazine as a decomissioned gun suitable for hanging on a wall.

Under the Act that has been in force for 15 years or so now (?) there is no such concept as "decommisioned". If it is rimfire or centrefire it is a firearm and requires security appropriate to the relevant licence category whatever vandalism may have been inflicted upon it.

"Wallhangers" are (or should be) a thing of the past.

[jrandom]

Under the Act that has been in force for 15 years or so now (?) there is no such concept as "decommisioned".

Indeed.

From the Police Arms Manual:

The only situation where a firearm has been accepted as "deactivated" in New Zealand is where it has been sectionalised from end to end.

[Dangerous Dane]

Just curious guys, how does one go about casting/ moulding a synthetic rifle stock? ie what materials do you need and where can they be purchased?

[doc]

Wot a crock of shit that programme was!!
Arrrgh, bloody sensationalism reporting.
Rickards was guilty as fu.k

Yeah I watched part of it . I'm not shopping at those shops again they're responsible. I know where I can get honest answers. And don't need no friggin paperwork. Nicky Hagar (sounds a bit girly but he is on the rich list so who am I to judge, and that Ian Wishart chappie started it all. How's that for starting a conspiracy theory) Target is typical of modern Journalism there to attract the advertising dollar who cares about the real truth. Us punters know where the stuff is available aye, nudge nudge wink wink. But seriously the voter thinks it responsible journalism and will want BB guns banned next. have you seen the price of those aluminium baseball bats very reasonable

[scumdog]

"Wallhangers" are (or should be) a thing of the past.

Aahh... not in this house matey!!

[Hans]

Just curious guys, how does one go about casting/ moulding a synthetic rifle stock? ie what materials do you need and where can they be purchased?

Why, what are you trying to do?

[Wolf]

It would seem that "Target" is well named - they're drawing a lot of fire over their firearms episode in their viewer comments section.

Such great comments as:

The advertising for this episode was completely misleading and their lack of anything to show for their 'journalism' is entirely unsuprising given all of my experiences with firearms owners and vendors.

More like misleading advertising to me. I'm in half a mind to complain to the BSA. I expected to see some guns being shot and it was all rather a let down.

Target have mislead [sic] the public on what the show was going to be about, and I for one won't be watching this show again.

It strikes me and I am sure the rest of the community, as a bit of a double standard when a Program purporting to be looking after our rights in exposing misleading advertising and dodgy deals, Use the same methods to boost their ratings. “Shame on you Target”

And my three favourites:

Target owes me 30 minutes of my life back.

Perhaps Target will feature themselves in their next "Shame On You" segment for misleading people about the content of their firearms item.

They should stick with the panty sniffin' plumbers and leave the real issues to the grown-ups.

'twould seem they have shot themselves in the foot over this one...

[jrandom]

Just curious guys, how does one go about casting/ moulding a synthetic rifle stock? ie what materials do you need and where can they be purchased?

You need an injection-molding machine. They're typically about the size of a small truck, and have a huge hydraulic piston that pushes steel plates together with several hundred tons of force before injecting molten plastic into cavities under high pressure at several hundred degrees.

Assuming you have a finalised design for your synthetic stock, the process of designing and machining mold tools for correct operation without sinkage, warping or bad filling will require an experienced mechanical engineering team and several weeks of work.

Or you could just go buy an ATI synthetic stock. They make them for pretty much everything.