The firearm thread

**wbks** · 8th October 2009, 10:52

Originally Posted by jono035

There was something that happened where a bolt-action rifle that could be converted with factory parts to a semi-auto was classified as an MSSA due to the stock.

Can't remember the details, though.

So whats the deal with why pistol grips are considered dangerous, anyway? Off the top of my head I would assume they make assault rifles with them to go a little easier on the shooters wrist over time, and cut down materials needed for the stock... How the hell will that equal more gun crime? Sure it's probably 'cause it looks scary, but what is their technical reason?

**The Pastor** · 8th October 2009, 10:53

2k dosent = plinking :O

**wbks** · 8th October 2009, 10:56

Originally Posted by renegade master

2k dosent = plinking :O

Rabbits, then?

I was joking

Or was I?

**jono035** · 8th October 2009, 10:57

Originally Posted by wbks

So whats the deal with why pistol grips are considered dangerous, anyway? Off the top of my head I would assume they make assault rifles with them to go a little easier on the shooters wrist over time, and cut down materials needed for the stock... How the hell will that equal more gun crime? Sure it's probably 'cause it looks scary, but what is their technical reason?

You'd have to ask someone who was more familiar with the ergonomic science behind it all, I'd only be speculating really.

And yeah, there is no way in hell that rifle would fit with my definition of the word 'plinking' lol.

Edit: Pretty soon Indy will show up claiming that you'd be better off buying 8 Mosins...

**Swoop** · 8th October 2009, 10:57

Another Auckland auction, appears to be taking place.
Collector Grade Arms (NZ) Ltd.
Sunday 13 June 2010.
Lincoln Green Hotel & Conference Centre.
159 Lincoln Rd Henderson.
Auckland.

**jono035** · 8th October 2009, 10:59

Originally Posted by Swoop

Another Auckland auction, appears to be taking place.
Collector Grade Arms (NZ) Ltd.
Sunday 13 June 2010.
Lincoln Green Hotel & Conference Centre.
159 Lincoln Rd Henderson.
Auckland.

Wait a sec, in almost a years time?

**wbks** · 8th October 2009, 11:00

Originally Posted by jono035

And yeah, there is no way in hell that rifle would fit with my definition of the word 'plinking' lol.

Plinking cans 800m away could work?

**jono035** · 8th October 2009, 11:02

Originally Posted by wbks

Plinking cans 800m away could work?

Hell of a walk to reset em... Especially after you've ripped em in half...

**Swoop** · 8th October 2009, 11:02

Originally Posted by jono035

Wait a sec, in almost a years time?

It appears to be a few collectors who have banded together in an attempt to get things happening. Perhaps the passing of Ray Carvell has prompted this?

Your normal selection of bits and pieces being sold? Possibly because of all the crap happening around beTrademe...?

**Mr Merde** · 8th October 2009, 11:04

Originally Posted by jono035

There was something that happened where a bolt-action rifle that could be converted with factory parts to a semi-auto was classified as an MSSA due to the stock.

Can't remember the details, though.

This is an attempt by the NZ Police to once again impose their rationale on the classification system for firearms.

The rifle is made by Steyr

It is a bolt only rifle with a similar config to the current military version

The police armourer decided that if you took it apart and swapped in parts from the current forces rifle that it could be converted to a semi auto. This is the same armourer who in his evidence to the high court has stated that a .308 is smaller than a 5.56

Therefore they have attempted to bann it as an MSSA.

This is one more thing that the NSA is fighting.

The Firearms Act defines what is or isnt an MSSA not the police.

Join the NSA and suppoort them in the fight for your rights as shooters.

http://www.nsanz.org.nz/

The only organisation that is actually fighting for your rights as shooters.

Richard (KREWSR) has a case before the High Court in Wellington ton the 22nd of this month with regards the attempted reclasification of thumbhole stocks as MSSA, with reference to his SL8 but it has implications for all firearms affected by this circumvention of ther Firearms Act by the police.

The very thing that the Palmerston North High Court judge stated was an inconcequential opinion.

We have a very good chance of defeating the police in court. The very thing they do not want to happen.

There is also a complaint lodged with the IPCA for the fact that the police have advertised this reclassification at the expense of $60,000 of tax payers money and also added the motif of the NZ Government to this document thereby purporting that it has legal backing by such.

Their reasoning ( the police that is ) for this change. Thery have misinterpretted the firearms act for the past 16 years.

Incompetence or what.

**Wolf** · 8th October 2009, 11:04

Originally Posted by wbks

How the hell will that equal more gun crime? Sure it's probably 'cause it looks scary, but what is their technical reason?

That is their technical reason.

**wbks** · 8th October 2009, 11:06

Originally Posted by jono035

Hell of a walk to reset em... Especially after you've ripped em in half...

Good excersize

**Mr Merde** · 8th October 2009, 11:08

Originally Posted by Swoop

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Your normal selection of bits and pieces being sold? Possibly because of all the crap happening around beTrademe...?

We have also been in touch with the Pricvacy Commission as there is no legal requierement for a middle man to collect Firearms licence numbers. The onus is on the seller to make sure the buyer holds the appropriate licence.

If you feed in a false number to Trade Me they know instantly and we have since found out that Trade Me and the Police are sharing database access to verify the licence numbers.

A definite breach of the Privacy Laws by the Police.

Especially, in my opinion, when it is a foriegn owned company collectin sensitive information on NZ citizens going about their lawful rights.

**wbks** · 8th October 2009, 11:09

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

We have also been in touch with the Pricvacy Commission as there is no legal requierement for a middle man to collect Firearms licence numbers. The onus is on the seller to make sure the buyer holds the appropriate licence.

If you feed in a false number to Trade Me they know instantly and we have since found out that Trade Me and the Police are sharing database access to verify the licence numbers.

A definite breach of the Privacy Laws by the Police.

Especially, in my opinion, when it is a foriegn owned company collectin sensitive information on NZ citizens going about their lawful rights.

Okay I'm not trying to be a smartass, here, But can you/will you do something about it?