The firearm thread

[jono035]

The rifle is made by Steyr

It is a bolt only rifle with a similar config to the current military version

The police armourer decided that if you took it apart and swapped in parts from the current forces rifle that it could be converted to a semi auto. This is the same armourer who in his evidence to the high court has stated that a .308 is smaller than a 5.56

There we go. I couldn't remember the details, just what the police were claiming and that it made fuckall sense.

[wbks]

Best training you can do for this unit is to keep bending over in the shower to pick up the soap.

Lol, talked to a few kiwis who have done it, sounds like good shit... Not sure about shady shower business, though... Navy guys aye. Say that to a few back from their tour in Afghanistan...

[Mr Merde]

Okay I'm not trying to be a smartass, here, But can you/will you do something about it?

The NSA will be once this High Court case is over. We are only small at the moment and dont have the funds or resourses to fight on many levels at a time.

This is where we need the support of as many shooters as possible.

[jono035]

The NSA will be once this High Court case is over. We are only small at the moment and dont have the funds or resourses to fight on many levels at a time.

This is where we need the support of as many shooters as possible.

Had someone come up to me at the range on tuesday asking about the court case progress. He mentioned that he had contacted an arms officer about his 10/22 with a silhouette thumbhole stock and was told to 'wait until the current court case if over'...

So there are definitely people sitting up and taking notice.

[Mr Merde]

There we go. I couldn't remember the details, just what the police were claiming and that it made fuckall sense.

During WW1 the US experimented with the 1903 Springfield rifle.
They manufactured a device (The Pederson Device) that turned a bolt action rifle into a semi or full auto.

By the current polie thinking on the Steyr then all bolt action rifles should be made MSSA as there is the possiblity they could be made inrto semi autos.

Duh

[Mr Merde]

Had someone come up to me at the range on tuesday asking about the court case progress. He mentioned that he had contacted an arms officer about his 10/22 with a silhouette thumbhole stock and was told to 'wait until the current court case if over'...

So there are definitely people sitting up and taking notice.

There is a mood of quiet confidence in the NSA from what I understand. Quiet because it still could go against us. I have seen the evidence presented by both sides and even allowing for my personal prejudice I think that the police case is really weak and that presented by the NSA is very strong.

But I am not the judge.

[wbks]

During WW1 the US experimented with the 1903 Springfield rifle.
They manufactured a device (The Pederson Device) that turned a bolt action rifle into a semi or full auto.

By the current polie thinking on the Steyr then all bolt action rifles should be made MSSA as there is the possiblity they could be made inrto semi autos.

Duh

Correct me if I'm wrong, but cant any rifle be made into a semi auto if you screw around with it enough?

[Mr Merde]

Had someone come up to me at the range on tuesday asking about the court case progress. He mentioned that he had contacted an arms officer about his 10/22 with a silhouette thumbhole stock and was told to 'wait until the current court case if over'...

So there are definitely people sitting up and taking notice.

Oh yes.

The last thing autocratic departments like the police want is the silent majority to discover they have a voice and thence to actually use it.

[Mr Merde]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but cant any rifle be made into a semi auto if you screw around with it enough?

Do a Wikipaedia on the Pederson Device.

[Mr Merde]

Join the NSA http://www.nsanz.org.nz/ Join in on our discussions by clicking on the NSA Forums link on the homepage.

Support your rights as a shooter to enjoy your chosen sport as laid down in the laws of the land not in a departmental opinion of what the should be.

Help keep our sport alive and growing so that our decendants can have the option of participating if they decide to.

Its only $50 a year. If we only win one case then the money is worth it to me.

We have only been going for less than 2 months and already we have people in high places sitting up and taking notice.

I just finished a personal task and have e-mailed every sitting MP in NZ Parliament asking their stand on firearms in NZ.

Once I have the information back from them I will share it with the NSA.

Its nice to know who is with or against you.

Chris

[Wolf]

We have also been in touch with the Pricvacy Commission as there is no legal requierement for a middle man to collect Firearms licence numbers. The onus is on the seller to make sure the buyer holds the appropriate licence.

If you feed in a false number to Trade Me they know instantly and we have since found out that Trade Me and the Police are sharing database access to verify the licence numbers.

A definite breach of the Privacy Laws by the Police.

Especially, in my opinion, when it is a foriegn owned company collectin sensitive information on NZ citizens going about their lawful rights.

what we need is for some sympathetic hacker to break into Tardme's database and send the privacy commissioner a full copy of all the details they found therein then tell the papers what they've done and the sort of info they have found about NZ citizens.

Once it becomes pointedly obvious what someone can access and what they could do if they decided to be malicious, then perhaps people might be more up in arms at Tardme's illegal information gathering.

[Mr Merde]

what we need is for some sympathetic hacker to break into Tardme's database and send the privacy commissioner a full copy of all the details they found therein then tell the papers what they've done and the sort of info they have found about NZ citizens.

Once it becomes pointedly obvious what someone can access and what they could do if they decided to be malicious, then perhaps people might be more up in arms at Tardme's illegal information gathering.

Just imagine the scenario.

A hacker hits TM (already been done)
Takes the database and all the Firearms certificate numbers.
Matches addresses up to FAC numbers and names.
Sells them on to the less scruplious part of our society.

What do you have?

Best described as "A SHOPPING LIST"

[Wolf]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but cant any rifle be made into a semi auto if you screw around with it enough?

Shhhhhhhhh! Don't let the gummint hear you say that or the blackpowder clubs will have all their front-stuffers confiscated...

[Mr Merde]

Dont forget the female polititian in Australia who tried to have Side by side shotguns banned because the second barrel was

"automatically ready to fire"

Dont laugh, she was serious.

[Wolf]

Just imagine the scenario.

A hacker hits TM (already been done)
Takes the database and all the Firearms certificate numbers.
Matches addresses up to FAC numbers and names.
Sells them on to the less scruplious part of our society.

What do you have?

Best described as "A SHOPPING LIST"

Hence me wanting "Scenario B":

A hacker hits TM (already been done)
Takes the database and all the Firearms certificate numbers.
Matches addresses up to FAC numbers and names.
Passes them to privacy commission and says, "fucking good thing I didn't give this to the career crims, eh. You happy that those monkeys have access to this sort of info on our citizens?"
privacy commission finds the information gathering a breach of the law and plants a "cease and desist" on Tardme management.