The firearm thread

[jono035]

Got some bullets that were handed in at work, the usual mixture that gets handed in, jambed in a 'Super-Clean' box (made be Canadian Industries Limited a long time ago)

I thought the 22 magnum cartridge looked a tad fat and the other centre-fire cartidges looked ultra-skinny.

Then the penny dropped - the magnum was actaully a .25 long and the 'skinny' cartidges were some sort of 'rook-rifle' cartridges, about .20 to .22 calibre, I'll get the magnifying glass out and give 'em a going over.

Meanwhile back to my bourbon...

Random... be interesting to know what you find...

[Kickaha]

Meanwhile back to my bourbon...

And what about that "other rifle" you couldn't sort out the other day

[scumdog]

And what about that "other rifle" you couldn't sort out the other day

Sussed that out - had none of the 'proper' cartidges, the ones that fitted the magazine.

Dunno what the other ones were for.

It's a wonder we were not all killed with my 'helpful' workmates waving that lethal weapon around...hehehe!

[JDK]

think alot of the rounds are for quick expanding so alot just blow to bits hitting insides of doors etc etc 405 Gr from a 45/70 ummmmmmm lets a lot of air in

[sAsLEX]

The box o' truth website has a few interesting tests involving vehicles, mostly aimed towards typical 'what-if' scenarios such as should you try use a car or car door as cover if needed, how you should compensate your aim if you have to fire out through a windscreen, that kind of thing. Interesting stuff.

to fire through glass -

So what do we do? Probably the single biggest problem is the actual bullet construction of the Sierra Match King bullet, and the easiest way to improve that is to use a different bullet. The FBI determined that the best performing bullet AT THAT TIME was the Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullet built by Speer Bullets. This bullet has a fusion bonded core, solid copper shank and a thicker wall to help keep the bullet intact when passing through tissue, and glass barriers in this case.

Use the appropriate bullet!



http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3958..._and_Firepower

DL this now will report if it is the right movie.

[sAsLEX]

DL this now will report if it is the right movie.

Just watched the start, it is in a funny .rv format but I had a player that supports.

There is a chap in a blue suit with a slug talking about different bullets a couple minutes in, is this the flick Chris?


If so I can burn a few copies to bring/

[jono035]

to fire through glass -
Use the appropriate bullet!

Definitely, I think they were talking about shifting points of aim, though.

So with those 2 things combined, you should be sweet!

[Indiana_Jones]

This thread is so cool

-Indy

[Swoop]

19 November, 2009: Rural blacksmiths in Africa and South Asia are increasingly producing guns as a profitable addition to their usual farm implements and spare parts for vehicles and machines. These areas have been producing iron implements for over two thousand years, but in the last decade the production of cheap pistols and shotguns has mushroomed. These weapons compete on price with more sophisticated factory made guns. In rural areas, the weapons are handy for hunting, or just keeping the local predators at bay. In urban areas, these weapons have produced growing incidents of armed robbery. Criminals have found that a firearm is much more effective than a knife for this sort of thing. Blacksmiths, especially those out in the countryside, have found police attention rare, and customers (often from urban areas) abundant. These crude guns are the highest profit items these smiths can produce.
For example, India has a growing problem with homemade pistols ("kattas") and shotguns (big kattas) showing up in remote, often very poor, areas. These weapons can be made from many common forms of steel pipe, and improvised firing mechanisms (that hit the bit of sensitive explosive at the center of the rear of the cartridge, which ignites the propellant in the cartridge and fires the bullet or shotgun pellets out the smooth bore barrel).

The easiest weapon to make is basically a single shot pistol firing a .410 (10.4mm) or 20 gauge (15.6mm) shotgun shell. Accurate enough for something within 5-10 feet. Not much good for hunting. These cost $20-$50 each in most parts of the world. The next step up, which requires an experienced metal worker and some machine shop tools, is full size (or sawed off) shotgun (single or double barrel), that sells for $80-$300. These can be used for hunting. These craftsmen can also make 9mm pistols (single shot or revolvers) for $50-$600. These weapons, because they are firing a more powerful cartridge, are more dangerous to use, because they are prone to exploding, rather than firing, when the trigger is pulled.

Ironically, people out in the countryside, where there are still dangerous animals that a gun can protect a village from, have fewer firearms. That's because there's more money, more to steal, and more demand for weapons in the cities.

In some parts of the world, like Ghana, the metal working center of Akwa, in Nigeria, and the Pushtun tribal territories of Pakistan and Afghanistan, there are craftsmen who can reproduce just about any modern firearm. The Ghana, Akwa and Pushtun tribesmen have been making metal weapons for over a thousand years, and quickly applied their skills to firearms when they first encountered Europeans using them.

With all these homemade weapons, the key ingredient is ammunition. The cartridges are more difficult to manufacture than the guns, since it involves chemistry, as well as metal working and fabrication. But ammo is easier to smuggle, and once you have that, there are metal working craftsmen in most parts of the world who can figure out how to build a weapon that will fire the bullets.

For over a century now, factory made rifles have been getting into these remote areas. This hurt the market for the high-end handmade weapons, but the cheaper stuff still sold. This is still the case, even with the flood of cheap AK-47s that poured into Afghanistan (starting the 1980s) and Africa (after the Cold War ended in 1991). Again, the cheap pistols and small shotguns were still popular with criminals, especially young guys just starting out. In rural India, communist rebels and political thugs often use these weapons, in addition to factory made pistols and rifles. Again, these two groups prefer concealable weapons, and the cheap homemade stuff gets the job done inexpensively.

[Mr Merde]

19 November, 2009: Rural blacksmiths in Africa and South Asia are increasingly producing guns as a profitable addition to their usual farm implements and spare parts for vehicles and machines. These areas have been producing iron implements for over two thousand years, but in the last decade the production of cheap pistols and shotguns has mushroomed. These weapons compete on price with more sophisticated factory made guns. In rural areas, the weapons are handy for hunting, or just keeping the local predators at bay. In urban areas, these weapons have produced growing incidents of armed robbery. Criminals have found that a firearm is much more effective than a knife for this sort of thing. Blacksmiths, especially those out in the countryside, have found police attention rare, and customers (often from urban areas) abundant. These crude guns are the highest profit items these smiths can produce.
For example, India has a growing problem with homemade pistols ("kattas") and shotguns (big kattas) showing up in remote, often very poor, areas. These weapons can be made from many common forms of steel pipe, and improvised firing mechanisms (that hit the bit of sensitive explosive at the center of the rear of the cartridge, which ignites the propellant in the cartridge and fires the bullet or shotgun pellets out the smooth bore barrel).

The easiest weapon to make is basically a single shot pistol firing a .410 (10.4mm) or 20 gauge (15.6mm) shotgun shell. Accurate enough for something within 5-10 feet. Not much good for hunting. These cost $20-$50 each in most parts of the world. The next step up, which requires an experienced metal worker and some machine shop tools, is full size (or sawed off) shotgun (single or double barrel), that sells for $80-$300. These can be used for hunting. These craftsmen can also make 9mm pistols (single shot or revolvers) for $50-$600. These weapons, because they are firing a more powerful cartridge, are more dangerous to use, because they are prone to exploding, rather than firing, when the trigger is pulled.

Ironically, people out in the countryside, where there are still dangerous animals that a gun can protect a village from, have fewer firearms. That's because there's more money, more to steal, and more demand for weapons in the cities.

In some parts of the world, like Ghana, the metal working center of Akwa, in Nigeria, and the Pushtun tribal territories of Pakistan and Afghanistan, there are craftsmen who can reproduce just about any modern firearm. The Ghana, Akwa and Pushtun tribesmen have been making metal weapons for over a thousand years, and quickly applied their skills to firearms when they first encountered Europeans using them.

With all these homemade weapons, the key ingredient is ammunition. The cartridges are more difficult to manufacture than the guns, since it involves chemistry, as well as metal working and fabrication. But ammo is easier to smuggle, and once you have that, there are metal working craftsmen in most parts of the world who can figure out how to build a weapon that will fire the bullets.

For over a century now, factory made rifles have been getting into these remote areas. This hurt the market for the high-end handmade weapons, but the cheaper stuff still sold. This is still the case, even with the flood of cheap AK-47s that poured into Afghanistan (starting the 1980s) and Africa (after the Cold War ended in 1991). Again, the cheap pistols and small shotguns were still popular with criminals, especially young guys just starting out. In rural India, communist rebels and political thugs often use these weapons, in addition to factory made pistols and rifles. Again, these two groups prefer concealable weapons, and the cheap homemade stuff gets the job done inexpensively.

Didnt know about Africa. Have known for years that the Peshwar Valley in Pakistan was a major centre for arms reproduction. A friend of mine was there in the 60's and bought a couple of pistols for himself, to carry when he awas on active service in Aden.

In the US from its beginnings to early 20th century the local blacksmith was where you had your guns made or repaired.

The great firearms designer, John Moses Browning, was the son of a blacksmith and would have learnt a lot of the trade from his father.

Humans are an adaptive species. If we really need something or think we do then a means of producing that item will be developed.

This is probably why the others on this thread will eventually beat the zombies they seem so scared of.

[jono035]

This is probably why the others on this thread will eventually beat the zombies they seem so scared of.

If you're equipped to survive a zombie apocalypse, then you can survive pretty much anything...

"Be Prepared" - Baden Powell

[Mr Merde]

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"Be Prepared" - Baden Powell

Ah mmmmm

Quoting from a middle aged man whos lifetime achivement was to wander the countryside in the company of very young boys.

Not very PC of you Jono

[Wolf]

Quoting from a middle aged man whos lifetime achivement was to wander the countryside in the company of very young boys.

And started the Scouts to give the boys something to occupy themselves with to dstract them from the vices of tobacco and masturbation.

Ironic, really, given that most the kids I was in Scouts with - and all our Scout leaders - were a pack of wankers.

And most the kids used to sneak off for a smoke as well.

[Wolf]

Not very PC of you Jono

given your inference, wouldn't be more appropriate?

[Wolf]

19 November, 2009: Rural blacksmiths in Africa and South Asia are increasingly producing guns as a profitable addition ...

I read a few years ago about Afghan craftsmen turning out very detailed and fairly good working copies of Lugers, Walthers, Colts - any firearm they could get their hands on long enough to strip down and copy.

Your post also reminds me of something I read regarding disarmament - can't recall the country or the exact figures, but the gov't passed a disarmament law calling for the surrender of all firearms and ammunition. The amount of ammunition surrendered was way disproportionate to the amount of firearms surrendered - way too low, an overall average of only a few rounds per firearm.

The book's comment was along the lines of "presumably because it is easier to make something to fire the ammunition than it is to make the ammunition."