The firearm thread

**Mr Merde** · 23rd February 2010, 10:13

Originally Posted by renegade master

So im loading the max load of 43gr with a 150gr projectile now ive got a new projectile that is 160gr will it be safe to load the max straight away? The fired really well at the max last time

WHat are you loading?

Why are you going to the max ?

Definitely not safe to load to the max straight away. Drop it by 10-15% and see how the gun likes the load.

Check for signs of presure.

Accuracy. etc

Then if you feel you need to then slowly approach the max loading.

Did this with my 686 (.357 mag) and finished up loading 180 gn bullet wih 15 gns Vhitvouri N110. Actually over the max but there were no signs of pressure. There was a little gas cutting on the topstrap but I couldnt fire these rounds all day everyday as they were very fierce.

**jono035** · 23rd February 2010, 10:28

Originally Posted by renegade master

So im loading the max load of 43gr with a 150gr projectile now ive got a new projectile that is 160gr will it be safe to load the max straight away? The fired really well at the max last time

From most of the reading that I've done on the forums and stuff, the consensus seems to be that you should really do a proper workup every time you change projectile (even if they're the same weight) and lots of powder. From playing around with quickload, when you're at the max things like bullet seating depth, bullet crimp, bullet construction etc. do make pretty massive changes to the peak pressure.

The max loads listed will have a bit of a safety margin built into them anyway, so I think the risk of something catastrophic happening if you tried one at max loads straight off is low, but you may end up with a bunch of loads that you have to pull apart if the cases start getting sticky or anything.

Instead of doing a full workup you could load 80 cases or so to max and then have 10 or so as a quick ramp up from 10% below? That way you could still load up most of your cases and you'd have a few to make sure that everything was going according to plan.

Edit: Chris has a good point there, loading to the max all the time is just going to eat your brass, wear out your barrel and action quicker etc. without really gaining you much. If you drop the powder by 10%, you only lose around 5% of your velocity, which probably only means an extra inch or so of drop at a few hundred meters, not really a big change?

**stevo2001** · 23rd February 2010, 10:53

Originally Posted by jono035

Ahhh, right! What dragged you away to the US?

For $600, theres no reason you couldn't do both! I'm guessing you mean some form of H&K MP5?

Yep,H&K.Sexy little thing it was.I went to Europe for 3 months OE,ended up buying a mint 74 Norton 850(8000 miles)and rode around for 3 1/2 years.Went to the states to visit a friend ended up buying a 83 beemer to ride from the Florida Keys to Seattle and then down to Mexico.Got as far as Denver.Married,divorced etc.The 2inch barrel,sure gives it some kick.I mess with experienced shooters by putting 4 38s and a 357 in the last chamber.It scares the shit out of them.

**The Pastor** · 23rd February 2010, 16:07

more media bashing

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...0627899&pnum=0

"What type of human being could shoot two pet dogs at point blank range using a shotgun?" they asked.

I'd ask them, what type of human would try and keep the dogs alive for as long as possiable after a major injury.

"Chevy would have walked straight up to the gun thinking it was a toy and Toby would have thought, 'Oh, we're going possum hunting'."

not with a broken back hes not!

**Indiana_Jones** · 23rd February 2010, 19:53

PUTIN

-Indy

**Mr Merde** · 24th February 2010, 08:23

Originally Posted by stevo2001

Yep,H&K.Sexy little thing it was.I went to Europe for 3 months OE,ended up buying a mint 74 Norton 850(8000 miles)and rode around for 3 1/2 years.Went to the states to visit a friend ended up buying a 83 beemer to ride from the Florida Keys to Seattle and then down to Mexico.Got as far as Denver.Married,divorced etc.The 2inch barrel,sure gives it some kick.I mess with experienced shooters by putting 4 38s and a 357 in the last chamber.It scares the shit out of them.

I used to have a Chater Arms Bulldog.
.44 Spl, 5 shot. 19oz weight.

With the spl rounds it was a handful and like you I used to mix my rounds .

SOme were soft loads and some were quite heavy loads.

Did this more as a training aid to stop me flinching.

Occasionally I let others shoot it with a couple of stout loads in ewith the soft ones.

Fun watching the expressions on the shooters fdace change .

Chris

**The Pastor** · 24th February 2010, 14:45

i have a mate who said he might be keen to give shooting a try, is it alright if i bring him along?

**Mr Merde** · 24th February 2010, 15:02

Originally Posted by renegade master

i have a mate who said he might be keen to give shooting a try, is it alright if i bring him along?

No problem.

GIJoe is probably going to be there also. He is thinking of going for a Firearms licence.

**The Pastor** · 24th February 2010, 15:06

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

No problem.

GIJoe is probably going to be there also. He is thinking of going for a Firearms licence.

awesome, havnt been able to catch up with him for a while!

**ManDownUnder** · 24th February 2010, 15:18

Hey guys - I think I might take up black powder shooting myself... this shit looks like fun!

[youtube]IhQ4dE_RGnQ[/youtube]

What kind of charge do you reckon that is?