The firearm thread

**carver** · 25th June 2010, 18:41

Originally Posted by Wolf

Why a .410 and not a 12ga, Carver?

could go 12g but i have a pumper already, i like the 410, less kick,lighter when loaded too

**Swoop** · 25th June 2010, 21:48

What's this about the Youthtown range being closed down permanantly?
Someone wants to turn it into car parking?

**jono035** · 25th June 2010, 21:55

Originally Posted by Swoop

What's this about the Youthtown range being closed down permanantly?
Someone wants to turn it into car parking?

New manager or someone at Youthtown has a real bee in his bonnet about the noise and started running downstairs whenever he heard anyone shooting bigger calibre pistols (.44 mag in specific, which the range is certified for). This resulted in an immediate ban on .44 mag/.357 mag... That put a bit of a cramp in my shooting for the past few months.

The range is on a 3 year lease and was due to be renewed around March. The Youthtown board originally said they weren't going to renew and then gave us an extra year. Currently there are negotiations underway.

Apparently the board had received several complaints about the CSI club not being enough of a 'youth oriented' club (half the range users are 18 or under, scout groups etc.), being too noisy (new soundproofing has been budgeted and they knew the timeframe for installation) and a few other minor complaints...

Also apparently they suggested other uses for the space such as a music room (lol, it's a manky damp basement)...

I'm not sure what the current state of play was. CSI has had a couple of ideas for alternate range locations in the wings, but last I heard the main strategy was to negotiate to get a member of CSI onto the Youthtown board and be more active in their management to hopefully keep our presence known...

**sAsLEX** · 25th June 2010, 21:58

Yeah heard that tonight at the RNZN Pistol club AGM.......... not good........ but there is some good news maybe coming about! Watch this space. Sorry won't really help the civillian shooters much

**Swoop** · 25th June 2010, 22:00

Originally Posted by jono035

CSI has had a couple of ideas for alternate range locations in the wings, but last I heard the main strategy was to negotiate to get a member of CSI onto the Youthtown board and be more active in their management to hopefully keep our presence known...

Good luck with that.
We heard it was a trustee who is causing all the fuss.

**jono035** · 25th June 2010, 22:03

Also just noticed that the NZ Antique Arms Assn is putting on a gun show at the Mt Eden War Memorial Hall on Sunday 4th of July. Anyone going to head along to that?

Alex: Where was that information from? Last I heard was a few weeks back from the CSI secretary that there was no further decision either way...

**jono035** · 25th June 2010, 22:04

Originally Posted by Swoop

Good luck with that.
We heard it was a trustee who is causing all the fuss.

Ugh, may well be. I know the manager was the one who effectively got .44 magnum banned there until further soundproofing but I don't know if he is behind the rest of it. Maybe he just stirred the other trustees up... Argh.

Chris: I may need to know what your plans are with regards to belonging to a pistol club in association with this new range. If CSI ends up dissolving it's going to be shoot at APC under their weird hours or give up my license... Neither are appealing.

**sAsLEX** · 25th June 2010, 22:21

Originally Posted by jono035

Ugh, may well be. I know the manager was the one who effectively got .44 magnum banned there until further soundproofing but I don't know if he is behind the rest of it. Maybe he just stirred the other trustees up... Argh.

Chris: I may need to know what your plans are with regards to belonging to a pistol club in association with this new range. If CSI ends up dissolving it's going to be shoot at APC under their weird hours or give up my license... Neither are appealing.

I heard it was a paticular trustee with the issue and also that the intention was to turn it to car parks.

**jono035** · 25th June 2010, 22:25

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

I heard it was a paticular trustee with the issue and also that the intention was to turn it to car parks.

The car park thing is news to me and it's kind of disturbing because I know they need more car parking so it's actually a possibility...

Have fired off an e-mail to the CSI club secretary asking for an update. The CSI AGM is in 2 weeks so I guess any official announcements will probably be made then.

**sAsLEX** · 25th June 2010, 22:33

Originally Posted by jono035

Chris: I may need to know what your plans are with regards to belonging to a pistol club in association with this new range. If CSI ends up dissolving it's going to be shoot at APC under their weird hours or give up my license... Neither are appealing.

Seems a bit off the number of hoops us law abiding shooters have to jump through to keep the hobby. Easier going off the grid......

**jono035** · 25th June 2010, 22:39

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

Seems a bit off the number of hoops us law abiding shooters have to jump through to keep the hobby. Easier going off the grid......

Yeah, was just talking about all this to a friend of mine I've taken shooting a few times and who was interested in picking it up at some point. His main sport is fencing (you know, getting dressed up and poking each other with bendy metal sticks) and he said that there probably wouldn't be anyone fencing in NZ at all if they had to jump through half as many hoops as we do...

The real razor in the soup though is that being able to only fire pistols at a pistol range makes it insanely easy for our sport to be stomped out by simple attrition. Close or place silly restrictions on all the pistol ranges due to noise/smell/car traffic etc. and the sport dies quietly.

**Wolf** · 25th June 2010, 23:17

What's the law re black powder flintlock pistols? Some on Tardme are saying "No licence required" for genuine old flinters - would have thought they'd need a licence as you can still cast a few balls, pour some BP down the snout and fire them.

**jono035** · 25th June 2010, 23:19

Originally Posted by Wolf

What's the law re black powder flintlock pistols? Some on Tardme are saying "No licence required" for genuine old flinters - would have thought they'd need a licence as you can still cast a few balls, pour some BP down the snout and fire them.

Well ultimately you can do the same thing with a piece of steel pipe with an end cap welded on 1 end and a hole drilled in it... Not that I'd ever do such a thing...