The firearm thread

**The Pastor** · 14th July 2010, 19:18

Here you go jono, something safer

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Mo...-302472850.htm

**Wolf** · 14th July 2010, 19:43

Today I tried to ask a question on Tardme regarding an old flintlock shotgun and was asked for my firearms licence number.

Irritated, as so many of us have been, I sent off a comment to Trademe expressing my annoyance at this unnecessary information harvesting and just got the following reply (emphasis mine):

Dear Jon,

Thanks for your note. I understand that it feels like an invasion of your privacy to have to supply your firearms license number when listing or buying a firearm.

We do this in order to provide a safe and trusted marketplace, and it's the result of ongoing liaison with Police and the Minister of Police on the issue. In simple terms it helps ensure that people who buy firearms are legally entitled to be in possession of those firearms. And its a process that has Police sanction.

I can appreciate that you find it frustrating and unneccessary. In an absolute sense you are right, we are not legally required to gather the information or make your interaction with this part of the site contingent on you providing this information. Its a judgement call we have made and one that is covered by our terms and conditions.

You are free to use other websites which don't have this requirement if you wish to. The Hunting and Fishing chain of stores also operate a used firearm site which doesn't have this requirement. You may wish to check it out!

**The Pastor** · 18th July 2010, 21:19

I came, I saw, I conquered.

**Mr Merde** · 19th July 2010, 08:06

Waitakere gun show banned in Auckland

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/local-gove...ectid=10659611

"Mayor Bob Harvey said organisers had been told they wouldn't be allowed to use other council facilities either. Auckland's other mayors - John Banks, Len Brown and Andrew Williams - said their councils would likely follow suit if the event organisers tried for a venue in their areas."

**jono035** · 19th July 2010, 08:26

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Waitakere gun show banned in Auckland

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/local-gove...ectid=10659611

"Mayor Bob Harvey said organisers had been told they wouldn't be allowed to use other council facilities either. Auckland's other mayors - John Banks, Len Brown and Andrew Williams - said their councils would likely follow suit if the event organisers tried for a venue in their areas."

I'm livid over that. The rest of those rat bastards saying they will ban it too makes it worse.

How about banning car shows because they may 'appeal' to boy racers?

**The Pastor** · 19th July 2010, 09:14

afaik, they havn't banned the event - just the venue.

so the event could simply move to a different venue?

**The Pastor** · 19th July 2010, 09:19

hmmm, thinking about it - i once saw an sks in a gun show. It looked cool. Now im a drug dealer shooting the police!

"The show sends a message that AK-47s, flick blades and other war weapons aren't just okay, they're part of a fun day out for the family."

**Mr Merde** · 19th July 2010, 09:37

Originally Posted by renegade master

afaik, they havn't banned the event - just the venue.

so the event could simply move to a different venue?

It would have to be a private venue. Then it would probably need local government consent regarding the number of people attending, parking, traffic control, security etc.

This would mean massively increased costs for the organisers

As I am employed by a local council I know from listening to others at my workplace, exactly how hard it can be made to run something when the council doesnt want it run.

SIgn of the times. All those politicos are running for "Super City" mayor. They all want to score points with the great unwashed. They will say anything that makes them noticable.

Best thing you can do is rally the troops and start hurting them in the polls. Thats the only way they will listen. If they think that they are about to loose their career ( and they are all career politians) then they may listen.

Chris

**The Pastor** · 19th July 2010, 09:41

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

It would have to be a private venue. Then it would probably need local government consent regarding the number of people attending, parking, traffic control, security etc.

Chris

Maybe, but some venues should have existing consents to cover this, they were purpose built for holding events - they would need permission to do this.

places like the asb showgrounds?

**jono035** · 19th July 2010, 11:00

Originally Posted by renegade master

Maybe, but some venues should have existing consents to cover this, they were purpose built for holding events - they would need permission to do this.

places like the asb showgrounds?

Notice the part where most of the other Auckland mayors have joined in saying that they will block the event being moved to their part of the city?

This is not a small thing.

**Mr Merde** · 19th July 2010, 11:02

Originally Posted by jono035

Notice the part where most of the other Auckland mayors have joined in saying that they will block the event being moved to their part of the city?

This is not a small thing.

Its politics.

All those who have said this are in the running for mayor of the super city. They have to be seen to be kissing the arse of the great unwashed.

**The Pastor** · 19th July 2010, 11:08

Originally Posted by jono035

Notice the part where most of the other Auckland mayors have joined in saying that they will block the event being moved to their part of the city?

This is not a small thing.

no, they said they will block the venues, not the event.

If the mayor (hubbard) couldn't stop the boobs on bikes parade, the councils wont be able to stop the gun show.

I'm surprised they haven't talked to me, i'm happy to show off my gun show any day...

**Mr Merde** · 19th July 2010, 11:11

Originally Posted by renegade master

i'm happy to show off my gun show any day...

There are major problems here with that statement.

1) Its a smallbore
2) its a single shot with a delay in reloading
3) its a pocket pistol not full sized (just like a gun but smaller)

ALso I forgot to mention it has a hair trigger that often results in an accidental discharge

**jono035** · 19th July 2010, 11:23

Originally Posted by renegade master

no, they said they will block the venues, not the event.

If the mayor (hubbard) couldn't stop the boobs on bikes parade, the councils wont be able to stop the gun show.

I'm surprised they haven't talked to me, i'm happy to show off my gun show any day...

Without a venue, there is no show. It's a different kind of event to the boobs on bikes parade. Not to mention that unfortunately there is probably a lot more political capital behind it.

Ultimately, Hubbard couldn't stop it, but probably because in doing so he would have ended up crucified.

**Swoop** · 19th July 2010, 12:07

Bob Harvey is a fuckwit and this decision simply confirms the problem that we have with the Waitakere council and the nepotism inherant there.

I personally thought the venue was too small and should be moved. Hopefully this will aid that momentum.