The firearm thread

[The Pastor]

100m is sporting for a brit and a mosin.

[Mr Merde]

There are very few places where one can shjoot 1000 yards\metres. You will need tofind a very accomodating farmer. Even then the logistics of logging your hits are complex. You would need a very good spotting scope and have someone watching the target when you shoot.

A target 10" x10" would be MOA at 1000 yards so ideally you would need something about 4 times the size just to be sure you get on the target.

If steel it would need to be about 1/2 to 1" thick.

So a pice of steel about 1.2 metres square and 12-28 mm thick. Thats a lot of weight.

White paint on the steel will allow your spotter to see any hits but woulf need to be refreshed periodically. Therefore you will need some means of easy accesibility to the target as you would soon be knackered walking over hills and such 1000 yards there and 1000 yards back. A 125cc scrambler or a quad would probably be in order. If you have someone downrange you would need radio contact just for safety.

The list goes on.

[Drunken Monkey]

It's just a matter of thinking outside the square. We could hire a small launch between us, then set off to one of the several small islands between Waiheke and the Coromandel Peninsula. Face seaward and pop off rounds at floating targets from a nice beach
You get nice visually obvious splashes for the misses, so anything else must be a hit, so that's the spotting sorted. If any maintenance or checks need to be done, the launch can be sent out.
Radio contact isn't a problem, I've got access to a bunch of VHF radios.

[Drunken Monkey]

What am I thinking! If we man-up, we could just shoot from floating platform. Maybe a large launch is what we need!

A 13 meter jobby is only $700 a day. Something that big could take up to 9, would be a stable platform as long as it was reasonably calm...

[jono035]

What am I thinking! If we man-up, we could just shoot from floating platform. Maybe a large launch is what we need!

A 13 meter jobby is only $700 a day. Something that big could take up to 9, would be a stable platform as long as it was reasonably calm...

The floating target idea could work in calm seas, but you'd need it to be pretty calm. A large boat, even on calm seas, would be hopeless. shooting at a 4MOA target = 4/60 of a degree... That's pretty damn stable.

[Mr Merde]

It's just a matter of thinking outside the square. We could hire a small launch between us, then set off to one of the several small islands between Waiheke and the Coromandel Peninsula. Face seaward and pop off rounds at floating targets from a nice beach
You get nice visually obvious splashes for the misses, so anything else must be a hit, so that's the spotting sorted. If any maintenance or checks need to be done, the launch can be sent out.
Radio contact isn't a problem, I've got access to a bunch of VHF radios.

I'm sure there is some sort of law regulating the firing of guns over water.

[The Pastor]

I'm sure there is some sort of law regulating the firing of guns over water.

yeah, you can only use steel shot

[sAsLEX]

The list goes on.

Place a web-cam in the butts, watch on laptop wireless.

There are some cool systems out there that use the vibrations in a large target and log your hits.

[Indiana_Jones]

100m is sporting for a brit and a mosin.

Such a Kike

-Indy

[Drunken Monkey]

I'm sure there is some sort of law regulating the firing of guns over water.

I can't see why, as long as it's done safely it's no different [the law] to firing on land. If you've got nothing between you and the horizon, where is the danger? It's not unheard of for people to launch clays off the back of a boat - don't cruise ships still do this?

Well in between writing the above paragraph and this one, I went online and re-read the Arms Act (yes, zzzzzzz indeed). Shooting from a boat is most definately not specifically prohibited. You specifically can not shoot from a motor vehicle, so (in the technically correct usage of) "the exception proves the rule", you may use firearms from a boat. Hunting is carried out from helicopter in this country also, without special permit to do so. So again, as long as you're not "Discharging a firearm, airgun, pistol or restricted weapon in or near a dwelling house or public place so as to endanger property or to endanger, annoy or frighten any person." (bearing in mind I'm talking offshore here, not international waters).

Caveat: I'm not talking about shooting waterfowl here.

[jono035]

Well just because it seems logical, doesn't necessarily mean it is legal!

Also, I guess technically in NZ waters it is a public place, so it's probably illegal without some form of permit. All you'd have to do is piss off a couple of people living nearby or having an afternoon on the boat (noise, bug up their ass) and you'd probably end up in hot water pretty quick if there was anything they could do about it.

I'd think it'd be pretty damn safe... Once you're out to 1000m, the projectile would be falling like a stone anyway. For BP shooting especially, you're basically lobbing projectiles at that point.

[Drunken Monkey]

Corollary:

"Failing to report injuries caused by firearms."

- I pinched my finger in my bipod two weeks ago during routine maintenance/rust inspection and cut my skin. Does this count as an injury? If so, have I broken the law by failing to report this injury?

[jono035]

Corollary:

"Failing to report injuries caused by firearms."

- I pinched my finger in my bipod two weeks ago during routine maintenance/rust inspection and cut my skin. Does this count as an injury? If so, have I broken the law by failing to report this injury?

Yeah, probably. The trick is making sure that you don't piss off someone off who is in a position to make your life difficult over it.

Was that the bipod on the 10/22? If so, I'm proud that the rifle has already drawn blood

[Drunken Monkey]

Also, I guess technically in NZ waters it is a public place, so it's probably illegal without some form of permit.

Where, my learned friend, did you get that from? There is nothing that specifically forbids the use of firearms in New Zealand in public places, given you have satisfied all other prohibited criteria. Last time I looked, Australian Federal Law does not apply in NZ!
Remember, DOC managed land is also an exception, not 'the' rule. In non-DOC managed state forest you may indeed hunt without permit (again, as long as you do so safely, satisfying all other legal criteria), you may also hunt with shotgun and rimfire. The only problem is there's very little non-DOC managed state forest that one can access - most of it is virgin bush, in high country, locked in by private land.

All you'd have to do is piss off a couple of people living nearby or having an afternoon on the boat (noise, bug up their ass) and you'd probably end up in hot water pretty quick if there was anything they could do about it.

Hence highlighting the specifics in that paragraph. The whole idea is to get out into some empty water, not truck on up between a bunch of fishing launches and a rum race, then start blazing away. That would just be daft.

[Drunken Monkey]

Yeah, probably. The trick is making sure that you don't piss off someone off who is in a position to make your life difficult over it.

Was that the bipod on the 10/22? If so, I'm proud that the rifle has already drawn blood

No, t'was the M14...