The firearm thread

[Sniper]

If it is on the "approved" list (A-cat, etc) no problems. Just wander down and visit your local Arms Officer and have a chat.
When/if approved, the import permit will need to be given to customs who will then (& only then) allow it past the border into your waiting hands.

Export permit from the US might be fun if it comes from there - or even if it travels in their airspace!!!

Keep a photocopy of all documents!!!!!.....

Cheers mate. Exactly what Im after.

Anyone else interested in them? I might be able to get a deal from the supplier

S

[Mr Merde]

Cheers mate. Exactly what Im after.

Anyone else interested in them? I might be able to get a deal from the supplier

S

You may have a little trouble. I know that Reloaders Supplies here in Auckland sell these rifles.

I'm not sure who the official importers of Walthers are but they may have a sole agency type deal.

Would be interested if the price were right.

[Swoop]

Cheers mate. Exactly what Im after.

Anyone else interested in them? I might be able to get a deal from the supplier

They had a good review in NZ guns a short while back.
Not my cup of tea though.

[Sniper]

You may have a little trouble. I know that Reloaders Supplies here in Auckland sell these rifles.

I'm not sure who the official importers of Walthers are but they may have a sole agency type deal.

Would be interested if the price were right.

Guncity import them too. But Im not paying anyone $1000 to $1200 for one of these when I can get it from the manufacturer for (At this stage) $420 incl shipping

I'll see what the story is though, thanks for all the info guys

[Sniper]

They had a good review in NZ guns a short while back.
Not my cup of tea though.

Yea, bit of a funky rifle.

Going to head into Gun city later and check one out to see how it feels. Wont buy one unless I like it

[beyond]

Well, I gave the PET Bottle silencer a test on the weekend in between killing goats and cans, and I'd have to say it doesn't work very well, but it does work.

Test equipment:
Gun = Stirling 20P Semi-Automatic .22LR
Ammo = Remington "22 Golden", .22LR High Velocity
Silencer = 1.5Litre ginger-ale PET container

After doing some research, there seemed to be 2 schools of thought.
1 - Hole in the bottom to allow the bullet to fly out unhindered, letting the bottle reduce the velocity of escaping gas.

2 - No hole, 'single shot' silencer, bullet punches it's way out.

Well, the latter sounded too dangerous and a little pointless for practical day-to-day application (i.e. bunny shooting)

The PET bottle does reduce the crack a little bit. It's more noticable in an enclosed space, there is noticably less echo, although the apparent volume is not much less at all. I doubt even with a bolt action and sub-sonic ammo the PET bottle silencer would reduce your shooting volume significantly.

Some sort of dB metering equipment would've been nice, the old earometer isn't so flash at distinguising noise from outright volume.

Errmmm, to get the most out of a .22 with silencer of any sort is to use subsonic ammo. The crack is the bullet breaking the sound barrier and no sillencer no matter how big is going to stop that noise. The discharge noise is silenced but the bullet breaks the sound barrier soon after leaving the barrel which makes most your noise.

Once you have a silencer fitted, sight your rifle in with subsonic ammo and you will cut almost all the noise down. In fact, when shooting furry cuddlies with subsonic ammo and silencer the bullet hitting the cuddly is the loudest noise. Bit like someone taking to a soft pillow with a hunk of 4 by 2 .

[scumdog]

Errmmm, to get the most out of a .22 with silencer of any sort is to use subsonic ammo. The crack is the bullet breaking the sound barrier and no sillencer no matter how big is going to stop that noise. The discharge noise is silenced but the bullet breaks the sound barrier soon after leaving the barrel which makes most your noise.

Once you have a silencer fitted, sight your rifle in with subsonic ammo and you will cut almost all the noise down. In fact, when shooting furry cuddlies with subsonic ammo and silencer the bullet hitting the cuddly is the loudest noise. Bit like someone taking to a soft pillow with a hunk of 4 by 2 .

Ah, lemme 'splain.

A shot = pfft - thwack.

NO silencer? BANG - thwack = a dead bunny.

[Wolf]

Errmmm, to get the most out of a .22 with silencer of any sort is to use subsonic ammo. The crack is the bullet breaking the sound barrier and no sillencer no matter how big is going to stop that noise. The discharge noise is silenced but the bullet breaks the sound barrier soon after leaving the barrel which makes most your noise.

I did a few test shots with standard .22lr ammo through the silencer (one of those crappy spring and washer jobs) and it was a definite improvement but still fairly loud - good for seeing how much is escaping gas and how much is travel noise.

Fired a few subsonics through it and the sound could be described as "an apologetic cough". Definite improvement over the "sonic boom" (crack) of the standard round.

This was on a bolt action so the gasses had no choice but to pass through the silencer. Never had a silencer fitted to a semi-auto but I doubt it would be particularly effective on a straight blow-back .22, what with the amount of gasses exiting via the ejector port and the noise of the action itself. I can understand the use of a silencer on a locked-breach semi-auto as the gasses have pretty much exited by the time the breech unlocks to eject the casing.

[scumdog]

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This was on a bolt action so the gasses had no choice but to pass through the silencer. Never had a silencer fitted to a semi-auto but I doubt it would be particularly effective on a straight blow-back .22, what with the amount of gasses exiting via the ejector port and the noise of the action itself. I can understand the use of a silencer on a locked-breach semi-auto as the gasses have pretty much exited by the time the breech unlocks to eject the casing.

I've got about three or four (whose counting?) of my 22s with silencers, one is a Gevarm take-down with a shortened barrel, it's a 'straight blow-back' system firing from an open breech. (has no firing pin, ejector or extractor on the bolt either - figure THAT one out!)

The silencer works great on it, the noise is like a slug-gun but without the sharp 'splat' noise.

[Wolf]

The silencer works great on it, the noise is like a slug-gun but without the sharp 'splat' noise.

Hmmmmm, learn something new every day. I stand corrected.

[Mr Merde]

Im off to blow away a ton of rounds through a glock and m4 next month. got to get those groupings tight!

You lucky man. I would spend all day loading and shooting if I were able.

M4 ?? What firearm is this. My brain is suffering this morning. As I get older I find, that with a brain that has a limited capacity, I need reminders of what things mean.

I take it you are on your firearms training course or a refresher then.

[Mr Merde]

The M4 is the standard Police firearm.

Here's some pics of it, obviously ours doesnt come with the grenade launcher or the scope in the range pic.

I had a feeling this was the answer but as said I am not the sharpest pencil this morning.

Push for rubber bullets. Can use the grenade launcher then


Mr

[scumdog]

Im off to blow away a ton of rounds through a glock and m4 next month. got to get those groupings tight!

Yup, fun-fun-fun!!

AND getting paid to have it too!

PS I've noticed the Bushmaster suits my left-handed better than it does the right-handed types - mag release, bolt release etc, even the safety is great for a lefty.

[scumdog]

Yeah that the dum thing about it us righties have to reach over and hit the forward assist after cocking. Sorta makes a bit of a pain if you need to reload in a hurry!

Stricly speaking if the Bushamster is kept clean the forward assist is merely a decoration - it's a legacy from the Vietnam war when uncleaned/uncared for M16s failed to chamber rounds at times and the f.a. was added as a 'band-aid' fix.

[Mr Merde]

Interesting posts.

My old man was a leftie and when he went to Vietnam he was issued with an M16.

He couldnt use it so he reverted back to an SLR.

He found it uncomfortable for him to use and the empty cases had this habit of ejecting into the right side of his face. Just a little uncomfortable when it is hot brass.

He had a similar problem with his side arm. A 9 mm Browning.

He found that the recoil\twist of the pistol rather than pushing into his plam, pushed against his fingers.

May have been that he was just an awkward old bugger (he was 16 years younger than I am now when he was there).