The firearm thread

**Swoop** · 25th July 2011, 10:38

Originally Posted by jono035

The suppressor is pretty big, the edge of the suppressor is 5mm higher than the front post. Makes it pretty 50/50 for use as a target pistol

An old trick was screwing the can on snugly and then either:
Put a piece of white insulation tape along the top and use a sharp knife + ruler to cut it down so that you have a 3-5mm wide white line along the top, or
mask off and paint a white line along the top.

It is usually sufficient for the range that subs will work out to ~25m(?).

**jono035** · 25th July 2011, 11:37

Originally Posted by Swoop

An old trick was screwing the can on snugly and then either:
Put a piece of white insulation tape along the top and use a sharp knife + ruler to cut it down so that you have a 3-5mm wide white line along the top, or
mask off and paint a white line along the top.

It is usually sufficient for the range that subs will work out to ~25m(?).

Yeah, the combo of a fixed rear sight and the short sight length makes that a pretty random proposition. It's pretty much what I was doing anyway, but with the point of aim being the top centre of a 1m square target.

**Mr Merde** · 25th July 2011, 21:05

Never designed for extreme accuracy.

This is a working pistol.

Bring it in close and pull the trigger. Suppressor and clothing combined makes it very quiet.

Mak a white line on the back of the suppressor. That should do for up to 20 meters. You are only trying to quietly hit a target about melon sized.

points really well. Instinctive shooting should be ok or use the holes on the top and mount a laser.

Chris

**Wolf** · 25th July 2011, 22:47

If we're talking about that old Russian ,22 you used to have, Chris, it does point extremely well, I recall. Quite a nice wee thing.

**Mr Merde** · 26th July 2011, 07:18

Originally Posted by Wolf

If we're talking about that old Russian ,22 you used to have, Chris, it does point extremely well, I recall. Quite a nice wee thing.

that is exactly the pistol we are talking about.

had a thought last night Jono.

Try those Aquila subsonic rounds in the pistol.

from memory they have a heavy bullet. short case. could make it even quieter

**Drunken Monkey** · 26th July 2011, 19:55

"No Yemenis were harmed in the making of this thread"...

**The Pastor** · 26th July 2011, 21:17

kinda thinking about getting a bow......

not that i have any money

**jono035** · 26th July 2011, 21:29

Originally Posted by renegade master

kinda thinking about getting a bow......

not that i have any money

For hunting?

If it's for targets then I've got a recurve bow that you could borrow, although the limbs and arrows are probably a bit long. Bracer/quiver/guards etc. too.

**Wolf** · 26th July 2011, 23:54

What's the barrel length on that Vostok? I was reading on a US firearms forum that below a certain barrel length (about 5", IIRC), standard .22lr remains subsonic as it doesn't have enough barrel length to accelerate up to the speed of sound.

Of course, subsonic rounds would still be quieter as they'd have less of a bang to begin with.

**jono035** · 27th July 2011, 07:08

Originally Posted by Wolf

What's the barrel length on that Vostok? I was reading on a US firearms forum that below a certain barrel length (about 5", IIRC), standard .22lr remains subsonic as it doesn't have enough barrel length to accelerate up to the speed of sound.

Of course, subsonic rounds would still be quieter as they'd have less of a bang to begin with.

Not sure what the barrel length is, but I'd guess 4-5".

**The Pastor** · 27th July 2011, 09:37

Originally Posted by jono035

For hunting?

If it's for targets then I've got a recurve bow that you could borrow, although the limbs and arrows are probably a bit long. Bracer/quiver/guards etc. too.

can you not hunt with recurve?

**jono035** · 27th July 2011, 09:56

Originally Posted by renegade master

can you not hunt with recurve?

Well, I don't think people do, really. They generally only have front sights, so rely really heavily on body position for accuracy, and for this reason are generally less accurate.

They have lighter limbs so can't get as much speed/energy into the arrows and are therefore have a much more curved trajectory.

They don't have the cams so the holding force while aiming is a lot higher which makes it less accurate again.

Much longer (mine is a bit over 5 foot when assembled, I think) so less convenient.

Also, the arrows I've got are target heads, where they tend to use broadheads for hunting, especially with smaller game.

On the other side, they're cheaper, easier to get started with, more robust and most target guys say you should get as good as possible with a recurve first because you're less likely to develop bad habits that the 2-point sight of the compound bow will mask.

No real personal experience beyond that quick play with that guys compound hunting bow when we went hunting.

With a recurve bow, the accuracy is ALL in technique and body position so maybe find an archery club nearby, there are HEAPS of them. I went to the club that uses the area on top of Mount Albert (Mount Green Archery Club) and they were pretty helpful. First day free, 6 weeks of lessons for a couple hundred dollars (with gear rental included in that) and then was pretty cheap to join.

**The Pastor** · 27th July 2011, 11:17

Originally Posted by jono035

Well, I don't think people do, really. They generally only have front sights, so rely really heavily on body position for accuracy, and for this reason are generally less accurate.

They have lighter limbs so can't get as much speed/energy into the arrows and are therefore have a much more curved trajectory.

They don't have the cams so the holding force while aiming is a lot higher which makes it less accurate again.

Much longer (mine is a bit over 5 foot when assembled, I think) so less convenient.

Also, the arrows I've got are target heads, where they tend to use broadheads for hunting, especially with smaller game.

On the other side, they're cheaper, easier to get started with, more robust and most target guys say you should get as good as possible with a recurve first because you're less likely to develop bad habits that the 2-point sight of the compound bow will mask.

No real personal experience beyond that quick play with that guys compound hunting bow when we went hunting.

With a recurve bow, the accuracy is ALL in technique and body position so maybe find an archery club nearby, there are HEAPS of them. I went to the club that uses the area on top of Mount Albert (Mount Green Archery Club) and they were pretty helpful. First day free, 6 weeks of lessons for a couple hundred dollars (with gear rental included in that) and then was pretty cheap to join.

The thing I like best about archery, is the ability to practice alot more easier than shooting.

I've only ever shot a re-curve, but i couldn't even pull back a compound.... :P