The firearm thread

[jono035]

The ATF have pretty much declared that in the case of AR15 uppers that they are "non firearms" and do not need a permit to buy or to export.

I was looking into this when a company produced a .22 LR belt fed upper for the AR15. Lakeside.

Chris

Might have been declared non-firearm, but I'd imagine it might still need an export permit. From my understanding, I would have needed an export permit if I had of put my grip, foreend, gas block, gas tube and charging handle upgrades on the same order...

[Mr Merde]

There was a guy at Central Shooters with one in 9mm... Even firing subs it was still pretty loud. Nice thing to shoot. He had a holo sight on it and it cycled beautifully. If you're going to suppress it, go full on and do a 3" shrouded half-assed de-lisle lookalike! Muzzle pressure would be low enough to use plastic, even.

Still, it's going to be like lobbing stones. At 100m it'll be dropping at a 45 degree angle :P

But quietly.

Used to shoot my AMT Longslide .45 ACP for groups at 100 yards. This was done in a standing position with an isosceles stance.
Bullseye shooting in the US consists of competing with the .45 and if you cant hit a 1" group at 50 yards one handed then you have no chance. this is with a pistol not a carbine.

The De Lisle was good for 50-100 yards accuracy with an 8" barrel. The Marlin has a 16 1/2 inch barrel. Both use the same round.

[Mr Merde]

I'll settle for the .32 option.

,one more id needed. This one, I'm picking is a Lee Enfield. The photos were taken at Ngaroma about 1930's.

the nose looks similar to this .

Dreyse Needle gun

[Mr Merde]

Can anyone give me an idea what make of rifle my father would have been holding. The photo was taken in 1927.Attachment 270292

I'm doing a bit of family history. I'm picking it would have been a low calibre rifle, possibly a .22?

Its not a Red Ryder, they werent made until about 1940.
It may be a Daisy H BB gun made about 1921-23

[Mr Merde]

Oh look at this. Seen one anywhere? Definitely looks like something a 9 year old boy in 1927 would have.



Daisy MOD 2138 made in the 1920's


Do I get a prize for this?

Merde

[Mr Merde]

Bored tonite so I thought i would do a little browsing.

Found myself at the ACC site and in particular at the statistics for 2007-2008.

Very Interesting.

In the section "fatal claims by sports played" there is some enlightening information. number of Current cases.

From these stats I have come to the opinion that sports involving water should be heavily regulated, the participants should be licenced for these and there should be a water code that the participants need to be examined on before they are allowed to buy swim gear, diving equipment and fishing equipment.

By doing so we could that year have cut our sports fatalities by 40%.

To back me up here is what is presented

Deaths that year

Underwater diving 41
Fishing 39
Swimming 34
Boating 19

Total 133 out of a total number of 333 of all sports.

Hunting accounted for 12 deaths that year.

Its obvious that water is more dangerous than hunting. The fix that could save a lot of lives is obvious. Let the police be in charge of licensing anyone who wants to participate in sports that involve water. Give them the power to stop anyone who doesn't have good reason from using the oceans, lakes and rivers of NZ. Make anyone who wishes to partake of "water sports" undergo a vetting process including providing references.

Run a crafty campaign to seriously undermine the above sports and drive those future sports persons away from the water. Give the police a budget to enforce this policy and set performance criteria for adherance to these policies.

Just think we could have saved 133 new Zealander's lives that year by making it impoassible to enjoy life on water.

Just my thoughts.

http://www.acc.co.nz/about-acc/stati...00053#P77_7107


PS Just for you Indy. By "water sports" I mean activities that involves oceans, lakes and rivers. It doesnt mean giving your girlfriend a "Golden Shower"

[jono035]

Bored tonite so I thought i would do a little browsing.

Found myself at the ACC site and in particular at the statistics for 2007-2008.

Very Interesting.

In the section "fatal claims by sports played" there is some enlightening information.

From these stats I have come to the opinion that sports involving water should be heavily regulated, the participants should be licenced for these and there should be a water code that the participants need to be examined on before they are allowed to buy swim gear, diving equipment and fishing equipment.

By doing so we could that year have cut our sports fatalities by 40%.

To back me up here is what is presented

Deaths that year

Underwater diving 41
Fishing 39
Swimming 34
Boating 19

Total 133 out of a total number of 333 of all sports.

Hunting accounted for 12 deaths that year.

Its obvious that water is more dangerous than hunting. The fix that could save a lot of lives is obvious. Let the police be in charge of licensing anyone who wants to participate in sports that involve water. Give them the power to stop anyone who doesn't have good reason from using the oceans, lakes and rivers of NZ. Make anyone who wishes to partake of "water sports" undergo a vetting process including providing references.

Run a crafty campaign to seriously undermine the above sports and drive those future sports persons away from the water. Give the police a budget to enforce this policy and set performance criteria for adherance to these policies.

Just think we could have saved 133 new Zealander's lives that year by making it impoassible to enjoy life on water.

Just my thoughts.

http://www.acc.co.nz/about-acc/stati...00053#P77_7107

To be fair, a lot of places won't take you diving without a PADI certification or similar, but I don't know if that's a legal issue or a basic covering-their-asses issue.

I 100% agree, and the arguments bear a lot of similarities to the arguments against the ACC hike on motorbike rego. Perception wins over reality in a lot of cases. Firearms and motorbikes 'seem' dangerous, therefore they must be. Personally, I'm more scared of my bloody angle grinder and circular saw after some of the stories that I've heard.

Of course, one thing that sports injuries often have in common is that they tend to happen to the person being the idiot, which invokes a lot of 'well, that will teach them, then' sentiment. I think human's generally seem to believe that they are completely infallible and incapable of making poor decisions so there's a 'there's no way I'd be that stupid' reaction. In the hunting accidents that have received coverage recently, this is rarely the case as it's generally not the careless idiot in question that gets shot. That's why Darwin awards are funny while the 6pm news generally isn't. Someone running themselves over because they didn't engage the handbrake is hilarious. Someone getting run over because someone else didn't engage their handbrake is tragic. We're incapable of believe that we would ever run ourselves over by accident, yet being run over by someone else's stupidity is a day to day hazard.

Edit: Merde - where the hell did you get the idea that he was the one GIVING the golden shower??

[Mr Merde]

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Edit: Merde - where the hell did you get the idea that he was the one GIVING the golden shower??

I'm sorry about the assumption. As we all know Indy reasonably well it was too much to think that he would be the giver. He probably dives in sans mask and goggles and only a cheap snorkel for breathing.

Sorry Indy for placing you in the just off normal category, when we should have you left of raving looney\prevert.

Merde

[The Pastor]

horse riding also accounts for some deaths, lets ban them! smelly things.

[jono035]

horse riding also accounts for some deaths, lets ban them! smelly things.

Yeah, I know plenty of people injured or crippled from horse riding. I remember a Jeremy Clarkson column where he was complaining that people who ride horses are living in a different world to the rest of us, because his wife thought it was perfectly reasonable to lobby the government to use a different surface on the roads that is better for a horses hooves... All sense of reason seems to go out the window, only to be reaplced with 'but, horse!'.

[Banditbandit]

Yeah, I know plenty of people injured or crippled from horse riding. I remember a Jeremy Clarkson column where he was complaining that people who ride horses are living in a different world to the rest of us, because his wife thought it was perfectly reasonable to lobby the government to use a different surface on the roads that is better for a horses hooves... All sense of reason seems to go out the window, only to be reaplced with 'but, horse!'.

Yeah .. but if you had a dick that big I'll bet women would fawn all over you too !!!

[Mr Merde]

The current trend of this thread has brought to mind my old drill instructor.

I made the mistake of calling my SLR my gun.

I had the old 4 line verse quoted to me in front of my whole platoon.

" This is your rifle,
This is your gun.
This is for shooting,
This is for fun"

Accompanied by gestures that left nothing to doubt as to which he was referring with each line.

[puddytat]

The current trend of this thread has brought to mind my old drill instructor.

I made the mistake of calling my SLR my gun.

I had the old 4 line verse quoted to me in front of my whole platoon.

" This is your rifle,
This is your gun.
This is for shooting,
This is for fun"

Accompanied by gestures that left nothing to doubt as to which he was referring with each line.

Gee, they were a great weapon wernt they....i remember endless stripping down & re-assembly drills in Basic...loading mags in under 20 secs, all the time corporals yellin' hurry the fuck up...the matchstick trick

[Mr Merde]

Gee, they were a great weapon wernt they....i remember endless stripping down & re-assembly drills in Basic...loading mags in under 20 secs, all the time corporals yellin' hurry the fuck up...the matchstick trick

Someone who has done basic before the plastic guns.

The matchstick with the silver paper from a ciggie pack.

Got a bit hot though.

Could light your cigs off the hot metal almost.

In '76 they also issued my platoon with M16's left behind by a Yank unit from Hawaii. OCTU.

[jono035]

So... Turns out the matchstick trick is a way to use a matchstick to make SLRs fire full-auto. There was some discussion whether it was basically an uncontrolled slamfire or whether it simply foiled the disconnector making it an improperly timed full-auto.

Either way, looks like I can safely say that I've added my work IP to a few more watch-lists that my home one was probably already on...